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Dangerous Dogs Owners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,089 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    GArdai have said the person who sent the video to the family may have been under the influence of drugs at the time.

    No excuse.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    They took it from some "high tech CCTV" at the house, I assume it is something he had access to from his phone, he wasn't at the house at the time. That is my understanding from reading the article in the Independent linked above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭acceletor


    I believe it was caught on cctv but I'm open to correction on that…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    Here's my 2 cents.

    I've been around dogs and dog breeds. All different breeds have different traits. Some are great for game and hunting as they love chasing out birds and retrieving them others are loyal easy going house pets others are want to run etc but only XL Bullys are bred to fight. That's it. To maim/to tear/ to rip/ to dismember anything it gets it's teeth on.

    Off the over 200 dog breeds why in the name of God would you choose the one known for brute strength and fighting? A breed you know can easily overpower you?

    It's unfortunate but it seems the people who have this breed don't think it through even for a second. Seem to be lesser educated people shall we say.They don't understand getting this breed into their homes radically increases their chances of serious injury or death.

    A dog doesn't know he's a pet. He doesn't understand the notion even. This XL Bully as a pet thing is absurd as you're trying to domesticate a creature bred to kill and fight.

    Like the story of the scorpion and frog the dog simply won't change his nature. It's kill or be killed in his mind. You can't placate his nature will belly rubs and treats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    I hope so, it's incredibly disturbing to think someone would stand there recording a person being mauled to death by a dog with their phone. Shows a total and utter disregard for human life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,089 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Except that didn't happen.

    I'd guess someone has access to in house cameras via an app. Perhaps a landlord?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,335 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    She was delusional like I posted earlier tiktoks with dogs slobbering all over her.

    Lines added in included

    "I don't give a f#ck if you think he looks aggressive"

    "I don't give a f#ck if you think the breed should be banned"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    from the daily mail: note this is just since February 2024


    Timeline of suspected XL Bully attacks since the start of the ban

    February 3 - A grandmother was killed by two XL Bully dogs in Clacton-on-Sea, Essex. 

    February 9 -  A woman was bitten in the face by a 'bully type dog' in Lanarkshire. 

    February 10 -  An eight-year-old boy was mauled by a dog believed to be an XL Bully while playing outside in Merseyside.

    February 18 - An XL bully-type dog was shot dead by police after attacking another dog and injuring three people.

    February 19 - A four-year-old girl was left seriously injured after she was attacked by a  suspected XL Bully cross-breed in Carmarthen. 

    March 18 - A suspected XL Bully was killed by armed police after going on a rampage and injuring four people in Battersea, London. On the same day a three-year-old boy was mauled by a registered XL Bully in Doncaster. 

    April 9 - A woman was attacked in her home in the Norfolk town of Holt by an XL Bully she was looking after.

    April 16 - A suspected XL bully attacked a woman in Blackpool.

    April 29 - A woman was taken to hospital with serious injuries after being attacked by a bully-type dog in Kelloholm, Dumfriesshire.

    May 20 - A woman was mauled to death by her two registered XL Bully dogs in Havering, east London. 

    May 27 - A five-year-old boy was attacked by an XL Bully in Hull. 

    May 28 - A 15-year-old boy was attacked by an XL Bully in Caerphilly, South Wales. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,089 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    "But they are lovely pets. So gentle around my kids".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    The man rang emergency services before sending an 18-second video clip of the attack to the victim’s shocked family-

    I don't know the media are just saying a video was sent but how could he send a video from someone else's ring camera? Unless he knew her and had the logins for it.

    Anyway why send the video? Who wants to see videos of family members being killed?

    Whether it was ring video or whatever it's still very macabre and wrong to send it to family members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,089 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    THe thing is, any one of us could be the victim of a dog attack, whether we own one of not.

    In my time I have walked past pit bulls out on their own.

    I have walked past pit bulls out for a walk on a least but not muzzled. If that dog wants to get away from the owner and attack me , nothing is stopping it. Not me, not the leash, not the owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,619 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's very strange alright, but TBF he wasn't standing there filming. It was his ring-camera that took it.

    Why he sent it is frankly bizarre though. Unless… could he have been a neighbour who was terrified of the dogs and had been dismissed by the family for saying they were dangerous? I don't mean that would excuse him sending graphic footage to them, but if he was drunk or whatever at the time it might help explain it.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    The owners of these dogs seem to all have something in common.

    Ignorance.

    They are ignorant to the fact the dog doesn't know he's a pet, ignorant to how strong he is, ignorant to how aggressive he can be ignorant to how an attack can very easily kill, ignorant to the dogs nature etc.

    They just go on with 'ah me lovely babba' nonsense on facebook.

    You said it. Completely delusional.

    Sad that people's ignorance and arrogance gets them killed.

    Faith it seems is cruel and unyielding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    unfortunately there’s a lot of people out there who don’t believe that



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    What town is that do you mind be asking? Can't be that bad? Sounds like a mix of Mad Max and the Purge you are describing.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    It said it was "high tech CCTV" which to me, does not mean a ring doorbell but maybe. I assumed that the person may have been a partner or ex-partner of the woman killed and that was why he had access to the CCTV at the home. I didn't realise at the time that the attack happened in the garden, I thought it was in the house. He sent the video to the family member while under the influence of drugs so not exactly thinking straight but at least he called emergency services immediately first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,619 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    LOL a Ring camera system IS high tech to me, so maybe that's why I assumed that's what it was!

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    My local rural walk takes me past a house where there are three large German Shepards, securely kept from the public by 1.5m metal fence. They run up to fence barking away anytime anyone walks past. Makes me a bit nervous every time as I'd estimate they could clear the fence with ease if they had a mind to.

    An added detail is that it was the womans 23rd birthday she died on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I firmly believe that anyone who keeps a dangerous dog is mentally challenged in some way. They are definitely not paying with a full deck.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,125 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    A German shepherd could easily jump that fence if it wanted to, it wouldn't require effort. Their athleticism is a big reason why they are used by police and military.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,029 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    from St Marys park, living with 4 dangerous dogs in the Limerick country side, with Hi tech security system on the house. Throw in someone with access to the footage sharing it, while possibly on drugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭boardlady


    Have you kids? It's the same thing. People want to nurture and love something. Simply put.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,678 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Those XL Bullys are like Dog Sharks

    Post edited by JP Liz V1 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    It's an interesting point. Love and nurture a different species? Don't know. A pet doesn't understand he or she is a pet so really is it love? A 'pet' seems to be only placated when they are very well fed and well looked after but is it love or domestication?

    Suppose some would argue how can you truly love something if you take away it's freewill. Like I said a pet doesn't know he's a pet.

    Anyway maybe the poster questioning pet ownership is this fella from honest ads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lmao10


    A friend of mine is absolutely terrified of dogs due to being traumatised by an attack as a child. A pitbull being walked by a woman who just wasn't strong enough to control it and it went for him. He carries around a penknife on his keyring purely in case a dog attacks him. The fact that it just became normal for him to do that is pretty sad but I guess it comes down to that childhood trauma plus of course the very valid point you make that if one of these dogs decides to go for you for whatever reason, few owners would be able to stop it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Look at the amount of attacks in the past few years in the UK, even after the ban a quick Google found multiple attacks by XL Bullys this week alone. Have a quick search for a video of one of these yokes running rampage in public (quite a few were recorded in UK towns recently). Add in that 95% of the people that own them seem to be scrotes. A great combination of terrible owners and horrible breed that isn't a pet. They need to be banned outright or heavily restricted at the very least. Every turd drug dealer/scummer shouldn't have access to things like this



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    A penknife won't do much to a XL Bully. Best to try and crush his ribs or strenum that's exposed when they lock down on someone. Easier said than done but to a dog like that it's a fight to the death when they engage. They see it as you or them. People need to get violent with the dog attacking and very fast otherwise you will bleed out in no time.

    Like a Terminator these dogs can't be bargained or reasoned with so it alway bizarre when they attack and people are trying to get him off with little slaps that wouldn't even tickle him.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Yes, that was my reading of it too, that it was her partner (maybe ex-partner) but they caught the footage on the house cctv. Why they sent it, to anyone, is beyond my comprehension.
    She ran out of the house, apparently. Thankfully nobody else was injured or worse.

    May she rest in peace. A truly terrible and needless death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Completely agreed.

    Those dogs may not have been abused in the conventional sense but having such large, powerful breeds & not spending the time, money & effort to train & social them properly is a recipe for disaster. I would also bet the farm that those dogs were displaying red flags all over the place prior to the incident. Even things like climbing onto the couch without being invited needs to corrected with a dominant breed.

    It's not just scumbags owning these types of dogs that's an issue, it's people with little or no dog experience, little or no knowledge on how to read a dogs body language. A dog baring it's teeth is not necessarily aggressive & a dog wagging it's tall is not necessarily friendly.

    Dogs are not human, they don't want to be hugged & they don't want to be kissed & they are not there for our amusement. A laid back dog might tolerate this treatment but a less tolerant one will eventually react.

    I personally don't believe banning any breed will work as another will come along to fill the void. I think a special license should be needed to own any breed over a certain weight & that license should need renewing yearly after a temperament test on the dog & an elevation on the owner. But that would be too much like hard work for the powers that be & would not soothe those who just want the dogs destroyed so I guess that will never happen & the cycle is destined to be repeated, just a different decade & a different breed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Banning and enforcement of the ban would be a good start as the authorities could act on reports and take away the dogs. As for another agressive new dog breed being introduced it too could be banned.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    The people who own these dogs would never bother with yearly licenses.

    Anyone who needs an extremely muscular aggressive looking dog very clearly has insecurities and they think oh this dog will command respect or make me 'respected' when it's the opposite is the case.

    People will see them as drug dealers or rough riff raff and not want to be near them.

    Maybe these people need psychotherapy more than anything.

    A therapist could help them with reality and reality testing making them see a big huge dog isn't going to benefit them in fact could very well hinder them or worse kill them.

    As others have said the big problem with these dog owners is they are delusional. They see a XL bully as a passive little angel, butter wouldn't melt.

    It's these people's ignorance sadly will lead to more deaths as they will have these dogs around children etc.

    Nothing will ever get through to them it seems. Outright ban? Hmmmmmm

    These people will then move onto Rottweilers or Dobermans instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Pitbulls were banned in England in 1991, 33 years later there are still Pitbulls in England nothing much changed other than Pitbulls were just upgraded to XL Bullies... rinse & repeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Nor will they care if the dogs are banned, sieze their dog, they will get another, no skin off their nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Or the exact same so why not try something different?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    How could it be the same unless there is no enforcement at all?

    What would something different look like anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,089 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well Governments have the ability to enforce laws, its whether they have the will. Its the same with everything.

    How about your dog kills someone , you get life in prison? That might deter plenty of owners.

    It mauls someone and leaves them with life changing injuries? You get 10-15 years. I would sign that petition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    There's an enforced ban in England (aswell a certain states in America) that hasn't worked in 33 years, if anything it made things worse with the subsequent introduction of XL Bullies, a bigger more powerful version of a Pitbull.

    I've made a suggestion of something different above, something that doesn't just apply to Restricted Breed owners but dog owners across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Exactly, targeting the dog is getting us no where, target the person we might see something different.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'm not sure at all, it's owners parents came and took it away (owner was on holidays and I knew the girl minding it). It was 11 months old apparently and they said it never did anything like that before.

    She works from home so minds dogs for cash but I think she's got decent custom from less than decent people with less than decent dogs, she takes these mad yokes in. Many other dog owners wouldn't .

    It probably has bitten since.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Repeated frenzied stabbing is going to cause damage surely. It's better than nothing. You can't rely on any member of the public jumping in to help you, including the owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    The local priest said she was considering going back to education to be a SNA teacher, and she had ambitions.

    Whatever that means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,029 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    I have no idea one way or the other, just a terrible situation for all involved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    Agreed but you'd have to be stabbing the dog in the throat to stop him. I remember an old video online where a guy was showing how to break a dogs sternum using your own bodyweight to crush the dog in a kind of bodyslam movement if they 'lock' onto arm you was surprisingly simple now whether it works in a real life scenario is another thing.

    My point is simple though. If one of these dogs attacks you their aim is to kill you. That's it. Nothing less than death with suffice for the dog.

    Ergo if people are going to fight back make sure it counts as nothing other than severe injury to the dog will get him off you. People delude themselves but the dog is trying its utmost to kill them so why people try and get savage vicious dogs off by gently yanking them etc is a mystery to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    You can't educate these 'owners' they are too ignorant. Even with a woman being gored to death as we speak people all over Ireland have XL bullys in the same room as their children now. let that sink in. Nothing. Absolutely nothing will ever get through to these people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    I would imagine that the last thing on your mind when one of these yokes has your arm/leg in its mouth is to be trying to get out your penknife, open it and start trying to stab a dog that weighs nearly as much as yourself.

    Just to put it in perspective I have a GSP at about 30kg. He is very passive, but when he gets playful he can get boisterous and has knocked me off my feet on a few occasions.

    The XL Bully is 50 or 60kgs in weight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭martco


    as a dog owner this is a divisive issue among many of the other owners I'd meet up with on our daily park walks and play/exercising..my view is to enforce their extinction

    there's an XL local to me, he's fully grown and has directly attempted to attack my fella one occasion (4 y/o Boxer) from across the road for zero reason that I can make out and I think unless you've actually been up close personal and felt it's power you just cannot understand the potential threat involved…like there's a couple of Rottweilers in my daily park scenario and they're dotes in comparison, normal, relaxed, joining in, good craic…XL would open them like a packet of biscuits. XL's owner has him on a harness but it's unmuzzled & when XL wants to shift gears the fella is barely in control. we changed route after that but it pisses me right off we've had to resort to tactical moves like that

    the way I look at it is that you wouldn't be allowed to keep a Tiger at home would you? so why in the name of f* are these highly impractical & specifically bred for purpose animals tolerated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    One thing you will notice about the owners of these dogs is aside from the fact they are always chavvy or there is monetary gain for them ie breeding them is they are never ever ever in control of these dogs even in interviews with the dog is placid. The dog has such incredible strength just playing it's throwing grown people around the place. The woman being interviewed here looks terrified of the dog on more than one occasion in this interview and is very clearly not in control of the dog. At 1.20 mins in her body language screams fear and anxiety.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy




  • Registered Users Posts: 459 ✭✭martco


    yeah it's fairly ridiculous having to resort to foreign press & social media to get proper coverage of this?? its a massive public interest story yet the reporting only scratches the detail/sheer level of violence that was involved here. NOBODY except the teeny number of fools who own/breed/fanboy these animals want them to exist. we had a major warning back in 2022 after that child in Wexford was maimed for life. the press and everyone else needs to get very real about the dangers these animals pose to the general public.



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