The Government spreading misinformation on immigration

You mean to say there is no certainty about uncertain scenarios?

What a bastard O' Gorman is, he should get a better crystal ball!

Roderic lied to the public - the ditch article pre referendum showed this and now this.

the fact he is still a minister never mind a TD is a damning indictment of our political class.

Lies and misinformation are fine unless you are far right or centre and speak common sense.

Their lies are okay because they are morally superior good people so they don't have to hold themselves to the same standards.

They can spread lies and misinformation but preach about the danger of it.

I mean in what other country would this man be still in office.

We are too quiet.

What do you expect though, we are now being lead by a Toaiseach whos actions as minister brought down the last Dail. They don't know how to hold account of themselves. Say what you like about politics in the UK but at least they resign quickly over there.

Of course they can, but should we also ignore what happened in Sweden where huge numbers still haven't after years and all the problems that resulted from flooding areas with large numbers of asylum seekers. Also should we ignore that the government themselves went far right recently and admitted that the majority of the ones currently arriving in large numbers every week are not even genuine.

Should we ignore that The Netherlands found that it cost the state something like 18 billion over ten years as the majority didn't find work. Or that 75% of Somalians on average across Europe never bother to gain any employment (we are getting lots from there at the moment every week). Genuine cases should be helped, but anybody that claims that all of the current arrivals are completely genuine is basically lying, why should we accommodate everybody chancing their arm at taxpayers expense?

Talking about removing the women in the home section for the last 30 years and Roderic messed the whole thing up.

How is he still a minister.

Strictly speaking O'Gorman didn't lie. What he said was that the AG advised him that there would be no impact in immigration law. The problem is though that is merely an opinion, albeit an educated one.

His opinion may indeed have been correct but what the officials are pointing out is that such an opinion would at a minimum need to be validated by the courts as the referendum wording left other interpretations possible, if not likely. The officials pointed out that they would need to defend their interpretation in court and it would be costly, and there was a risk that even after that they might not win.

The problem really is that the AGs opinion is often reported as a final independent determination but the AG is a political appointment. There have been a number of times where the govt have reported that a measure would be legally impossible on foot of the AGs advice (such as rent freezes) when ultimately the political pressure gets too great and they find a way of doing it.

I couldnt agree enough with you Jinglejangle69.

How come within government and public service in general there is no accountability. It's sickening the incompetence we're seeing but nothing is been done

he was asked on the AG advice and his reply was not what the AG advised.

he was asked in the dail if there was any immigration impact and replied "no". thats a pretty certain answer..

he mislead so he lied .

he needs to go

Because anything other than full support of unregulated immigration is based in racism and or xenophobia.

We don't have unregulated immigration.

That misconception and the obsessive self fear mongering probably is based on racism and xenophobia though.

I imagine peoples social media algorithms having a complete field day with them contributes too.

I geneuinky couldn’t believe what I was reading in the Irish times article - so basically the civil service were jumping up and down with all sorts of extremely serious concerns over the referendum …

but the government politicians were out there denying any such problems and saying “smile and vote yes” - have I got that right ?!?

The alternative reality that the morally righteous live in must be an amazing place!

To me it just shows that fundamentalist cult of the green party have the gubbermint by the balls and as they are staring into very uncertain political oblivion there is not a hope in hell they will force mr ngo poster boy out of his job.

ah good jaysus indeed. Minister lies or is more than economical with that truth and nothing happens.

Harris first job once in as Taoiseach should haven been to get rid of Roderic and Helen but he didn't so imho incompetence in all in this government

The government and even the opposition SF thought both referendums would pass successfully but luckily the people stood up and voted no

Anyone questioning the referendum in regard to immigration was shot down as the usual far right racist fascist xenophobic bigot etc.,

Exactly my point I made earlier. All Roddy has to do is keep a low profile and get it the end of his gig where his next one will be in an NGO of some kind. Green party delighted that Helen is getting a massive pile of flak… let’s call it a multi governmental approach.

Agree 100% Tomorrow we'll have an opportunity to let the government know in no uncertain terms what we think of their antics and complete failure as rulers not helped by being held to ransom by the deluded greens.

The fallout from the referendum some weeks ago cost Leo his job as taoiseach & FG leader, tomorrows result could very well hasten a general election. New smaller parties & independents will hold sway in councils & to a lesser extent EU