Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

The links I have posted are all from The Irish Times. Seems to be the same journalist for each so they must be getting the info from somewhere that other media aren't.

The new secular church is just as bad as the Catholic one.

I remember a clown in one of these threads that went off on anybody daring to suggest that the wonderful Peter McVerry and his trust were anything but the best of the best.

But facts are facts, and whats happening in McVerry and all of these so-called "charities" has been disgraceful for quite some time.

Why close it down when it seems by the article that rogue CEO was mismanaging funds?

It absolutely crazy that these ‘charities’ get funded by the taxpayer to house junkies in apartments beside normal people. I’m sorry but if you have addiction issues you should be placed in a shelter.

A lot of questions to answer - I know good people from financial services backgrounds now retired who wouldn’t darken the door of a charity board - way too much compliance to get caught up in and too much responsibility- and that’s just being a volunteer board member.

Not going to predict or second guess the outcome of this review but we’ve seen very badly run charities too often in Ireland - the current regulations and oversight don’t appear to be working too well

The Console charity debacle was what did it for me- I’ve cut back big time on charity donations- leaving the charity subject of this thread aside as it’s still under review so don’t wish to say anything on that charity per se, it does seem though that there are a bunch of people out there running a charity like they own their own business, imposing their authority and getting paid handsomely whilst having their ego stroked - a lot of power and control and way more than if they were an employee in a company- but with no accountability

We’ve see big salaries but then we’ve seen additional expense accounts, spouses employed, very shaky relationships with other companies owned by family members etc etc amongst other things - and that’s before Console and ripping donation envelopes open behind a locked door and pocketing the cash.

I’m sick of it - I’m completely immune to charity muggers, stupid day time advertisements charity appeals on TV or any other type of charity appeals- it appears quite simply that a hell of a lot of our donation money goes on anything other than the target people in need

Fair enough if there is more than one bad apple but why close it down, the people that would impact are the employees that were stealing, the honest employees, and the people who depended on the charity to get by.

So why close it down, why not just get rid of the rotten apples?

Does anyone give to these charities anymore? Any charity I donate to is strictly local, with the exception of every once in a while Pieta House.

Admittedly I don't do it often or do it that much (maybe €5/6/7 a month at most), but it's only local for me.

I don't know what it is, but I got the feeling for a long time that with the bigger charities, there's more scam than charity involved. Most people I know couldn't be bothered giving anything to the likes of Concern, McVerry, GOAL and others. They're muggers with a smile and a pen than a scowl and a knife.

It’s become a great excuse for the government to do nothing- whether it’s health care homelessness, poverty, hunger, mental health - they’ve outsourced responsibility to charities from their own departments

To the layman 70% on staff costs seems astonishingly high for an organisation also involved in the purchase of property. It is clear the organisation is not for purpose, and there was some shady behaviour going on from at least one CEO. Such conduct does not suggest someone conducting their duties diligently with regard to value for money, when hundreds of thousands of euros are disbursed in a single transaction with no controls, in receipt of no specified services.

As far as I'm concerned this is part of the definition of charity:

Charity is the voluntary provision of assistance to those in need. 

These are NGOs, not charities at this stage.

That has been tried endlessly. The quality of the housing has all too often been horrific. It’s the same experience elsewhere in Europe (except maybe Finland). Housing is by and large provided and managed by housing associations.

The service level agreement that these organisation the HSE Tusla etc have with those organisations are very business like.

Does anyone really believe the state would do better more efficient better value job?

Where in all this is the Charity Regulator?

Probably not. One thing is clear though, trying to manage/house people with chronic addiction issues is an absolute money pit.

Remember someone lay dead in one of these managed properties for weeks, despite constant complaints from neighbours that it was a drug den.

One person cannot rip off a charity, It takes a minimum of two, one to defraud and another to countersign. By the time a third person becomes aware and sees what is going on it becomes a free for all and you have a culture of fraud.

And this is replicated right across the board.

Whether it is to do with waste collection(largely privatised), portions of transportation(privatised) the provision of housing people (private landlords via HAP or developers) and indeed many more functions of the state. Indeed I'd argue that they've outsourced the provision of community resources and facilities in a lot of cases to voluntary groups and sporting organisations.

As others have said there are tonnes of charities that do very similar work, you'd have to think there's massive waste at the best of times

It's a complete clusterfcuk in a lot of cases.

It’s government endorsed collusion is what it is - jobs for the boys and sometimes girls, lots of expense accounts as we’ve seen in RTÉ FFS- the government are stealing money from the public and lining the pockets of the already rich semi retired fcking incompetent business class - let’s stop the charity swindle now - no more donations to ANY charity - let’s see how the government take that

I’ve no doubt tonight’s prime time programme is going to make a lot of charity donators very unhappy

It's declared.

It's zero.

No salary, no expenses, no allowances.

Not now, not ever.

https://pmvtrust.ie/about-us/governance/#:~:text=All%20directors%20are%20voluntary%20and,its%20challenge%20to%20reduce%20homelessness.

Thanks, interesting.

RTE 1 now.

Why do people keep giving to charity?