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Dangerous Dogs Owners

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Repeated frenzied stabbing is going to cause damage surely. It's better than nothing. You can't rely on any member of the public jumping in to help you, including the owner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    The local priest said she was considering going back to education to be a SNA teacher, and she had ambitions.

    Whatever that means.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,566 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    I have no idea one way or the other, just a terrible situation for all involved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    Agreed but you'd have to be stabbing the dog in the throat to stop him. I remember an old video online where a guy was showing how to break a dogs sternum using your own bodyweight to crush the dog in a kind of bodyslam movement if they 'lock' onto arm you was surprisingly simple now whether it works in a real life scenario is another thing.

    My point is simple though. If one of these dogs attacks you their aim is to kill you. That's it. Nothing less than death with suffice for the dog.

    Ergo if people are going to fight back make sure it counts as nothing other than severe injury to the dog will get him off you. People delude themselves but the dog is trying its utmost to kill them so why people try and get savage vicious dogs off by gently yanking them etc is a mystery to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    You can't educate these 'owners' they are too ignorant. Even with a woman being gored to death as we speak people all over Ireland have XL bullys in the same room as their children now. let that sink in. Nothing. Absolutely nothing will ever get through to these people.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    I would imagine that the last thing on your mind when one of these yokes has your arm/leg in its mouth is to be trying to get out your penknife, open it and start trying to stab a dog that weighs nearly as much as yourself.

    Just to put it in perspective I have a GSP at about 30kg. He is very passive, but when he gets playful he can get boisterous and has knocked me off my feet on a few occasions.

    The XL Bully is 50 or 60kgs in weight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭martco


    as a dog owner this is a divisive issue among many of the other owners I'd meet up with on our daily park walks and play/exercising..my view is to enforce their extinction

    there's an XL local to me, he's fully grown and has directly attempted to attack my fella one occasion (4 y/o Boxer) from across the road for zero reason that I can make out and I think unless you've actually been up close personal and felt it's power you just cannot understand the potential threat involved…like there's a couple of Rottweilers in my daily park scenario and they're dotes in comparison, normal, relaxed, joining in, good craic…XL would open them like a packet of biscuits. XL's owner has him on a harness but it's unmuzzled & when XL wants to shift gears the fella is barely in control. we changed route after that but it pisses me right off we've had to resort to tactical moves like that

    the way I look at it is that you wouldn't be allowed to keep a Tiger at home would you? so why in the name of f* are these highly impractical & specifically bred for purpose animals tolerated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    One thing you will notice about the owners of these dogs is aside from the fact they are always chavvy or there is monetary gain for them ie breeding them is they are never ever ever in control of these dogs even in interviews with the dog is placid. The dog has such incredible strength just playing it's throwing grown people around the place. The woman being interviewed here looks terrified of the dog on more than one occasion in this interview and is very clearly not in control of the dog. At 1.20 mins in her body language screams fear and anxiety.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭martco


    yeah it's fairly ridiculous having to resort to foreign press & social media to get proper coverage of this?? its a massive public interest story yet the reporting only scratches the detail/sheer level of violence that was involved here. NOBODY except the teeny number of fools who own/breed/fanboy these animals want them to exist. we had a major warning back in 2022 after that child in Wexford was maimed for life. the press and everyone else needs to get very real about the dangers these animals pose to the general public.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭plodder




  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭martco


    its very easy. make it so they don't get to exist, ILLEGAL. if they're spotted someone calls the ARU and they shoot them. DEAD. end of problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭jamieon


    A. Horrible looking dogs

    B. Always under scut ownership.

    Conclusion - Shoot scut and dog on site.

    Enough of pandering to peoples feelings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    These breeds should not exist. They were created for specific hunting or attacking circumstances, they're not pets. No bad dog, only bad owners is the stupid argument people will make against any sort of gun control. No one needs these dogs for their original purpose, they should not be allowed in society. You need to protect herds from wolves? Then you can have a large fighting dog. Everyone else can **** off



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Owning one of these XL Bullies or a similar breed is like driving on the motorway at high speed with no seatbelt on. Everything is grand until you loose control and then the effects can be catastrophic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 367 ✭✭NiceFella


    That's a weak argument. Of course banning something isn't going to completely stop the problem but it will of course help. I saw a nice lady walking around with a Japanese ikianta she could barely control. Some people just need to be told to cop on.

    Plus, these dogs could cost in excess of 1k so it's hardly not going to dent an owners want of one of it's taken off them. (Multiple times)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    In the 16-year period of 2005 through 2020, canines killed 568 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 67% (380) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths. Yet pitbulls only make up 13% of the dog numbers!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    A short time a go there were only 2 American XL Bullies in Ireland. One male and one female.

    Now there are hundreds of them. 

    It's very likely that all these dogs are inbred from only few sires and breeding bitches and furthermore, due to lack of records siblings and close relatives are being bred off each other. Mother/Son, Father/Daughter, Uncle/Niece etc…

    I’d imagine every single XL Bullie in Ireland is very very inbred.

    Inbreeding manifests itself in a number of ways, but the most important to many owners is likely to be the fact that less intelligent dogs are much harder to train than smarter ones. Dogs that are inbred are usually less intelligent and sometimes more aggressive than their mixed breed counterparts.

    Throw all that in the mix with heavily muscled dogs bred for combat, inexperienced owners, minor owners and unsocialised dogs when it goes wrong it really goes wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,693 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Tired a this nonsense about people being the problem and not these clearly aggressive and powerful and dangerous dogs. Of course people are, and will always be the problem. Hence we need to remove these dogs from people.

    Even responsible dog owners cannot guarantee that some a these animals won’t ever have the chance to cause carnage.

    Some these dogs are just too strong, aggressive and volatile. It’s in their DNA.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,693 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yet folks will still argue that it’s not the dogs, it’s the owners. It’s both. Irresponsible owners in possession of very dangerous animals. Recipe for disaster.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’d say there’s a sale on XL bully’s coming soon as the illegal breeders know their months are numbered - will likely aim for as many litters this year as possible and sell off the puppies as quickly as possible



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Horrible breed of dog that has no place in human society.

    Candidates in tomorrow's elections will be desperate to secure any last minute votes. Message them telling them you'll give them a vote if they can get XL Bullies banned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Some owners will always defend the keeping of dangerous dogs unfortunately. You'll often hear the likes of 'sure the dog gets on fine with my children'. It seems to often be a case of just looking to go against the grain and trying to prove people wrong, while for others it's to make up for their own physical insecurity (often small man syndrome!) and deliberately intimidate passers-by.

    It's common sense to just ban them outright. However, the best the government here will likely do is copy the UK and only ban people from getting or selling them going forward, with a silly exemption option for all current owners. In the UK, it looks like over 60,000 exemptions were granted in recent times. Fair enough, the dogs that they relate to will die away, but it will take years and many more maulings for this to happen...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    there’s some pretty judgemental comments on this thread about Nicole.

    Scoffing at her wanting to train as an SNA. Allegations that she has the dogs for ulterior motives etc. you can’t change your family As we all know

    Not everyone has the same chances in life and for many, a chance to train as an SNA would be ambitious. Don’t look down on people for wanting to better themselves.

    The fact she was asking for training / walking tips for the dog shows she cares for it and the photo of her with two other bull breeds shows a happy owner and happy pets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    That's it. It's the equivalent of keeping a lion, tiger, or other big cat in your house.

    Might have raised them from a cub and it's all well and good and great for the followers on the Gram until something sets them off and it's snapped its doting owners neck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    All fine until the last paragraph. It was highly irresponsible of her to take in what turned out to be a killing machine. Deluded.

    Of all the breeds going, it had to be this one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,693 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    But we are not “effectively” targeting dogs. There are no banned breeds here. People cannot be trusted to own and control these very powerful animals. Hence take away the animals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You're being pretty judgmental yourself.

    No one is scoffing at being an SNA, it's just always the same story that someone was 'hoping' or 'planning' to do something to better their lives.

    Most people have actually just got on and done it instead of spending their days posting videos on Tik Tok. Harsh but in reality that's how a lot of people feel, she didn't seem to give a fcuk about how anyone else felt about her keeping such dangerous dogs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,610 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    BAffled by the logic of some people, or perhaps that should be stupidity?

    As someone said earlier, there's now families sitting watching TV with their kids, with an xl Bully in the room. Maybe 2, maybe 4?

    If it was explained to them that there's a chance they could lose a child if their dog went mad for a minute, would they get rid of it? Are they happy to risk the life of their child just to own a dog? If there answer is "yes I'll take the chance" then it says a lot about them as a parent, or as a human.



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