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Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,799 ✭✭✭creedp


    Another example of a person for which a phev was a gateway to full EV. A bit dubious if EVs suited so take the interim PHEV step first before realising yea EV next time around. Plenty people out there in the same boat.

    I think there might be a it of phev snobbery out there also. I see plenty people extolling the benefits of the BMW 330e and 530e but not so much the run of the mill Fords/Hyundais etc.

    As said buy whatever you think suits you best, be it a small hatchback, family saloon, mpv or big SUV, petrol, diesel, phev, hybrid. Plenty choice out there for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    I agree that people should buy what suits their needs, but this is a thread about anti EV articles in the media.

    We're debunking the myths and falsehoods that are being peddled in the media. There is a campaign to detract from EV adoption afoot. Whether it's just uninformed people, lazy journalism, deliberately negative PR, or a mixture of all is unclear, but it's happening.

    I've no problem with PHEVs and they have their place, and they're perfect for some people, but they're not the silver bullet their made out to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,238 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    As of late though it's become an anti-PHEV to evangelical levels, with a dose of media conspiracy thrown in. It's pretty ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Do you mean the media or boards.

    Just because someone disagrees didn't mean they are anti some thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    Agreed. I'm debating some points because I think they're inaccurate, misinformed, or they just seem illogical.

    I'm not anti PHEV and I've said many times that they have a market. I don't care what people drive, but I'm not listening to FUD or BS. If someone wants to drive a petrol, diesel, PHEV, whatever... no problem here, but I'm sick to my back teeth of people talking **** about buying an EV when they have never driven one.

    I don't dismiss ICE cars but whenever i see anything positive written about an EV, or even EV adverts, it is always met with bullshit and vitriol.

    The media has an anti EV agenda. It's not even subtle anymore. I've said it before, a lot of very wealthy companies and states lose a lot with mass EV adoption and they want to protect their golden goose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,238 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    This thread. And it's more than some people just not liking PHEVs, they come across personally aggrieved that someone would buy one over an EV.

    But the idea that there's a grand media conspiracy to downplay EVs because they're in the pockets of some industry or another is a bit far. Car manufacturers themselves are moving away from ICE so who's steering the ship from the murky depths, the oil industry?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Can you show any examples, all I see is people calling out that the suggestion of buying a PHEV without home charging as was suggested in response to Conor Pope's article was a bit daft, and PHEV owners justifying their choice of a PHEV because they never want to charge in public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doesn't read like that to me, unless someone takes anyone mentioning any disadvantage of a PHEV personally.

    The media is mostly ignoring phevs for some unknown reason. Perhaps BEVs create more clicks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭moonage


    "How so? It's not a car ban, it's a ban on burning fossil fuels to propel the car. You can still drive a car… just not an ICE"

    You won't be able to drive a car if you can't charge it at your home or somewhere equally convenient and reliable.

    "If you don't believe in climate change, that's your view, but tailpipe emissions are real and cause pollution at a local level. Exhaust fumes contain carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide, and benzene; all of which are harmful to people (this is how people commit suicide by putting a pipe from their exhaust pipe into the car and shutting the windows)."

    The ICE ban isn't for these reasons. The ban is to reduce CO2 emissions, that terrible "pollutant" that is essential for plants to grow and whose increased levels has caused the planet to become greener over the last few decades. Yes, CO2 did raise the temperature but any further increases in CO2 will have an insignificant effect on further temperature increases because a 'saturation' point has been reached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    You can't fill an ICE car at home either. The charging infrastructure is improving annually. The batteries and tech are improving. A 10 year old EV versus a current EV are eons apart. It's also worth noting that there is about 47 years of oil left in known reserves, if its being used at the current levels. Oil is a finite resource, and as the supply dwindles, the price will keep increasing thus making driving inaccessible for many people... supply and demand.

    Regarding CO2, you have cherry picked the one thing that suits your agenda and dismissed the rest. It's a familiar trait for those who bash EVs.

    When the experts say it's a problem, I listen. The earth is warming, at least you have admitted that, but to say the saturation point has been reached is ridiculous. Have you a time machine that you've used to see into the future? Nobody knows if there is a 'saturation point', or what that point is. The only thing we know is that if it keeps rising, we're screwed and if it gets to the point of no return, we won't be able to do anything to reverse it.

    The experts have given their view on the critical temperature where atmospheric changes will be irreversible, and this is not like a pot on the stove that we can just take off. I'd rather not find out what happens if we hit that temperature because no amount of apologies or admissions of being wrong will make a blind bit of difference.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    Aggrieved no, baffled yes.

    When I see people saying they won't get an EV but hope to use a PHEV in EV mode 90% of the time, I'm baffled. Or when they say they're only filling up once or twice a year but an EV isnt suitable, I'm also baffled.

    When I see people saying they won't have maintenance on the engine in a PHEV because they rarely use it, I'm calling BS.

    When I see people saying a PHEV is better because they may do an occasional long spin, I'm happy to add that this can be done in a EV.

    When people suggest a PHEV as a solution for someone with no home charging, I'm calling that ridiculous... what's the point of having a PHEV if you don't plan on charging it. Just get a economical ICE.

    This isn't anti PHEV, it's just addressing points that I feel are inaccurate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,511 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What do people do with an ICE. They fill it somewhere else then drive around all week until they need to fill it up again.

    They could quite easily charge an EV somewhere else and drive around all week until they need to fill it up again.

    I did it before I had a home charger fitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,827 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The ban is to reduce CO2 emissions, that terrible "pollutant" that is essential for plants to grow and whose increased levels has caused the planet to become greener over the last few decades. Yes, CO2 did raise the temperature but any further increases in CO2 will have an insignificant effect on further temperature increases because a 'saturation' point has been reached.

    Sources for this.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod Note: This thread is related to EV media articles not the place for a debate on CO2 based Climate Change, keep to the topic



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Orebro


    The Irish Times at it again with their "Helping to separate electric vehicle myths from facts, we’re here to answer all your EV questions" series - it's actually getting ridiculous at this stage, between Neil Briscoe not knowing what he is on about, and these copy paste articles which include the debunked study by Volvo, but sure they publish it anyway as fact:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/motors/2024/06/25/your-ev-questions-answered-are-electric-cars-produced-ethically-and-sustainably/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Briscoe was never a patch on Michael McAleer and with EV’s in particular he’s getting worse. Probably related to the fact he doesn’t get a free tank of fuel to use with each press car when he has to review an EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,331 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A guy reviewing EVs who doesn't have home charging just can't be taken seriously.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,612 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A long term question but whats Musk's long term view?, I have this memory that its a solar electric world? ive been more in the it should be a nuclear electric world as the backbone

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭crisco10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    Kinda, there was one done about 2009 wher eite was 100kkm was the break even point, but that was focused on all the worse case scenarios and that was the build cost of the ice vs the build AND running damage on the ev. , now the 50kkm seems to be the worst case for build and running of the ev and the ice, but, best case is only 20kkm for the ev to be better. either way teh ice will only damage more the longer its on the road, espcially compairing old to new ice

    so, its more of an update with better data then debunked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Musks long term view is to take the money that he has and increase it as much as he can. Which I don't condemn because he's a businessman after all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,612 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    still he is not to be ignored that he knows which way the wind is blowing (excuse the pun) . Self driving Electric is a no brainer, but what's behind it is another issue

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Q: We currently own a hybrid which we bought second-hand. We would like an EV but I’m concerned about the ethical sourcing of raw materials and the human rights impact.

    Most European oil comes from Saudi Arabia, a country that kills off reporters, imprisons the LGBT community and doesn't allow women out of the house without a burka and a man present… But ethical sourcing of raw materials and human rights impacts are an issue for him/her? Buy a bicycle then!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,612 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    which part? self driving will be huge, what powers the grid is up for debate, tesla will be a huge beneficiary of automated driving.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If it comes along then yeah absolutely. If it doesn't at least you have nice cars to drive



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