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Dangerous Dogs Owners

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭lrushe


    My sister in law's house mate had a Boerboel, now that's an intimating looking dog. You could have put a saddle on him & rode him around he was that big & at 18 months wasn't even fully grown, make an XL Bullies look like a Jack Russell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Out of curiosity do dog owners have some type of insurance cover if their dog attacks someone and there's medical bills, time off work etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I think you’ve answered your own question 😀

    Yep, lack of boundaries- and essentially pandering to the dogs every whim- eventually they essentially see themselves as top dog, leader, whatever you want to call it- they’ve diminished respect for you and essentially turn into a tyrant.

    I’ve a small rescue- he was through a lot but very settled now- took a good while for us to get to know each other but very happy medium now- he knows what I’ll tolerate and he knows what he’s not supposed to do and mostly he behaves - I’d hate to think what even this little fella would be like had I not laid down ground rules assertively at the start and kept at it until he got the message



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,512 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Right, and they're dogs I'd be cautious about too. Like I said, any dog bred to guard, especially when it's big, and therefore bred to take on the attacker rather than just warn the household, is not a dog I'd have in a family home.

    Still, I don't agree that size alone is the only factor there. I still think a fighting dog carries particular risks, and if, as someone said above, the XL Bully is a lot more inbred than the average, that makes it even more risky.

    Also, some Jack Russels can be nasty wee buggers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭lrushe


    Spoiling a dog, especially a dominant breed is the sign of an inexperienced owner not an amazing owner.

    Not exercising or socialising a dominant breed is the sign of an inexperienced owner not an amazing owner.

    Keeping 4 intact powerful breed (who are often sex aggressive) together not crated is the sign of an inexperienced owner not an amazing owner.

    Forget trying them like children, treat them like dogs, then you'll be an amazing owner.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    A quick read up on this breed - loyal and protective of owners and family if trained and socialised early but wary of strangers - obviously given their size and aggressive tendencies towards who they don’t know, yes it makes total sense to have some form of training in place for owners- for me it’s a simple change in culture and attitude to dog ownership - we’ve care standards in place for elderly human beings in nursing homes and they still get flouted every day of the week unfortunately- I won’t hold my breath that dogs will get better supports than humans



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭zedhead


    Its not a requirement to have your dog insured - but if you do have pet insurance i know the major ones do cover it as long as at the time of insurance the dog has not shown signs of aggression.

    I think house insurance may cover the liability part but im not sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    But my liddle Schnookums wouldn't hurt a fly...



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    So all the restricted breeds should be outlawed. How do you propose that would work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    What breeds would you classify as dangerous. Just for information there is no dangerous dogs list in Ireland



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Most household policies will provide third party liability for pets but there are limits.

    Take 123.ie house insurance for example -

    If your pet causes damage to another person’s property or injures anyone, then you may be covered under the liability to others section of the policy. The cover under this section applies only to ponies, saddle horses, domestic cats or dogs. However, if your dog is listed as a dangerous dog and is regulated under the Control of Dogs Acts, then they must be muzzled, under effective control and easily identifiable to be covered under this section.

    An Post Home Insurance will cover damage to third parties except -

    Any compensation, costs or expenses if Your Pet is a breed identified under the Control of Dogs Act, the Control of Dogs (Amendment) Act 1992, the Control of Dogs Regulations 1998 or any subsequent amendments, or a dog crossed with
    any of these. In addition to above, any compensation, costs or expenses if Your Pet is one of the following breeds or is crossed with any of these breeds: Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasilerio, Pit Bull Terrier, Pero de Presa Canario, wolf or wolf hybrid. These breeds include but are not limited to American Pit Bull Terrier, English Bull Terrier, Bull Page Mastiff, Doberman Pinscher, German Shepherd (Alsatian), Rhodesian Ridgeback, Rottweiler, Japanese Akita, Japanese Tosa and Bandog.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    No she wasn't an amazing owner. Those breeds and others have a dominant nature. They need socialising and obedience training. She wasn't even able to place a lead on the dog to take it out walking.

    Anybody owning such breeds should be evaluated for suitability and personality and attend proper training classes not youtube or facebook videos. Unfortunately alot more to that attack than being reported.

    We have been interviewed twice by different breeders and a club secretary when getting each of our boys. Not xl bully's BTW.



  • Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    those types of dog,xl bully,bull dog kind of animal are pretty much just a set of very sharp teeth,very strong jaws with an arsehole attached,the majority ive seen with them seem to be from the tracksuited,hand down the jocks fcukwit fraternity…the only "legitimate" use or need for these dogs as far as i can see is if your a dealer or enforcer for a dealer…so why would any reasonably sane person want one?


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    When I'm walking my muzzled English bull terrier on a less than 2 meter lead 🙄 in my neighbourhood, the biggest problem we have is small fluffy white dogs going for him.

    If I'm out during lunch, there will be at least two or three of this vicious little sh1tes going for him. The owners laugh it off and shrug their shoulders, they know right well their dog is a dangerous one, yet no one bats an eyelid.

    When this happens my dog thinks they are trying to play and will spin in excitement or hide behind me if it's a bigger dog.

    The wrong dog in the wrong hands can be a dangerous tool. That's what's happening with these XL Bullies. Not all dogs on the restricted list should be tarred with the same brush.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Dog behavioural person on RTE radio earlier saying XL Bully's are not family pets.

    They don't enjoy cuddling or being played with. They are fighting dogs. That's it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Nermal


    So just ban anything other than a whitelist of known safe breeds. This is not an unsolvable problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You’d want your head examined to be trying to say that some of these dogs are family pets.

    Even a happy pit bull is a scary fooking sight. Their energy, and even their playful aggression should tell anyone with half a brain, that they are not family pets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    What is a similar breed. English bulldogs , Staffordshire terriers, maybe French bulldogs , what about boxers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    I don't mean to be insulting but I would guess you wouldn't be able to identify an English bull terrier. So very few of them about and way down the list in terms of dog bites.



  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Anaki r2d2


    an injection from the vet would work quite well for every bully XL monster. Or a Garda armed support unit visit would work well too



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  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Anaki r2d2


    when people refer to dangerous dogs they mean the restricted breeds list. Pit bulls Rhodesian ridgeback Rottweiler etc

    All breeds that have the capability to do serious damage to a person



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    There is always someone who comes along with the excuses...

    No dangerous dog list in Ireland

    You wouldn't be able to identify that Dog

    All dogs are dangerous and can kill

    Pitbulls are not a dog breed

    How will you decide a dog is dangerous

    Etc. etc.

    Its not that hard to come up with a way to determine acceptable dog pets and a banned list. With your superior knowledge you can start the conversation on how to do it, and give us some guidance?

    If it was me I would base it on size, strength (bite), and any DNA links back to an aggressive breed (Irish list pending), but there are plenty of lists around the world we can start with



  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭davepatr07


    They're the dog that looks like a shark on a leash, not very attractive breed but that's a personal choice. Havnt seen many here in Ireland, find Staffies a lot more popular. Apparantly they are OK but can be stubborn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,512 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Any breed bred for training, or crossed with same, for starters. I'm pretty sure that doesn't include French bull dogs, as despite their name they're actually descended from dogs that French prostitutes (I think) kept - but if there was any doubt then size and strength of bite could be used to distinguish if necessary. Those criteria could also be useful in evaluating whether crosses came under any ban too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    Every family pet on the restricted list should be shot or euthanized, because of attacks from a hybrid breed , xl bully's?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    A labrador has ability to cause damage, st Bernard's and newfoundlands also because of size. Maybe cull all the above. Btw labradors have accounted for more serious bite injuries in usa than Rhodesian Ridgebacks. RR never attacked a person in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Staffies and English bull terriers are like fooking teddy bears compared to some other large and powerful dogs. Not saying they can’t be dangerous, they absolutely can. They have that natural agggression and fight in them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 RhodieMax


    Well my " superior " knowledge is over 20 years experience in owning a restricted breeds.

    But going back to your criteria , size , bite force there will be alot of families and kids upset that some anti dog expert wants their family pet taken away and killed. Pets such as golden retrievers , labradors , boxers etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Would you class Dobermen, German Shepherds, Rottweillers as family suitable pets?

    Boxers are very strong and boisterous dogs…no way I'd have one around my young children



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  • Registered Users Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Wouldn't labs be far more prevalent in Ireland than RR, though? For very RR I have seen, I have probably seen 20 labradors



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