Dangerous Dogs Owners

100% I’m just trying to figure out if the dogs could have been responding to a command given remotely..seems unlikely though.

No worries, whatever happens I pray the government do something. I have seen the little boy in Wexford who got ravaged by one of these. Terrible disfigurement for the little lad.

I always thought it was because the scent wasn’t detectable

Lmao.

If they were only recently broken up and ring was installed on both their phones he may have been alerted and seen it live. He could have panicked and sent it to everyone he thought could/would arrive and help.

I think they do too - the way they react when you come home smelling of another dog you barely even touched is hilarious isn’t it?

Did the dog react as strongly as that to any new person walking in or was this reaction stronger than to some random person arriving?

This was a friend who would collect me to go out. No problem any other time but when he had drink the dog is very wary of him

Just to be clear, this entire thread is polluted with people making excuses for these dogs and their owners, and arguing against any sort of additional controls.

It is absolutely shameful.

Reminds me of a song ‘I’ll go out of my way to prove I still smell her on you’

Just to be clear, that's búllshit, unless you can quote few posts... But I doubt it.

I mean, there’s your post at 10.01 this morning…

It doesn't matter if a pitbull is a dog breed or not, it's just a word to describe what most people know of a certain type of dog look. You can you give them the proper name(s) then and the augment is still the same?

It most certainly is the owner's fault, But also the dog's fault too. Dogs are born as pack hunters, it's in their DNA and Blood and we train(ed) them to be domestic. Good owners and years of breeding (certain dogs) achieve this to a degree, but there is always that primary basic instinct… just like us Humans still have a basic Fight or flight response, where we can jump (Uncontrolled) and our bodies produce adrenaline.

A bad owner, no matter how bad they are, will not turn a Chihuahua (I know it is an extreme example) into a human killing machine, that no teen or adult can stop (Forget about unprotected babies here, we already know they're more venerable)

Dogs like Pitbulls (sorry) or XL bullies, no adult or adults can stop, The Gaurds had to shoot 2 in the last few days should be proof of that. (Who knew the Gaurds had such easy access to Guns, or were there special units called?)

Are you against having a banning list, even if XL bully is the only Dog on the list currently?

(I think you already suggested this, which I guess means you are open to some control, at least)

What about the next step down from XL Bully's, call it the Restricted breed, for now.

This could require registration, owner and dog training, and maybe even testing (recall etc.).

The next step down? is another requirement etc.

All the way, back to our little Chihuahua level

And lack of enforcement is not another excuse for inaction, this is a separate problem we are all aware off, that also needs to be addressed, along with breeding regulations etc, and getting enforcement of the rules particularly in the Scum breeders and the Clowns (Drug Dealer etc.) that buy them.

The post you've mentioned in support of this claim (although, amusingly, it was posted AFTER you made the claim!) says this:

First of all pit bull is not a dog breed. And of course it's owner's fault, dogs are not being born aggressive, unless there's a medical condition. That goes with unethical breeding etc. and clowns who buy dogs from these scum breeders. People who get dogs and then ignore their needs. And it takes a good portion of ignorance to "turn" dog. But as always some people are "good" at that. And people are very good at blaming everything else bar themselves...

I can't see where s/he's excusing the owners, nor arguing against any sort of additional controls? In fact it seems to be suggesting that action needs to be taken against "scum breeders"? And possibly against "clowns" who buy from them and/or ignore the dog's needs, leading it to become aggressive?

The only "excuse" I can see is that they're saying it's always the fault of the humans around the dog for not taking responsibility. But whether or not that's 100% correct doesn't matter, because even if some dogs are just dangerous, if owners and breeders were responsible, those dogs would be taken out of circulation and not allowed to breed. So the problem would be solved anyway.

Whereas insisting that it's really about "bad dogs" is exactly the way to ensure that nothing effective ever gets done. What about guide dogs, sniffer dogs, hunting dogs, farm dogs?

Even if you got a law passed that banned all non working dogs, that would drastically reduce the gene pool by banning all those that haven't proved themselves as working dogs. So those dogs that do make the cut are going to start suffering from inbreeding.

And what about all the pups that are born to those "good" dogs that don't make the grade for their intended work? That's always a significant number of pups, even from the best parents: not good hunters, or sheepdogs or guide dogs, but perfectly adequate pets: would they all get killed too? Who is going to agree to that, when the real problem will still be bad owners, and they will still be around looking to pick up some of those "illegal" dogs that the breeder hasn't had the heart to put down?

It's the worst possible approach. And it would be very easy to use your own allegation right back at you, and say that you're the one trying to prevent any real action being taken. Because the truth is - and you must know this - that there isn't going to be a total ban on dogs, yet that's the logical conclusion from your extreme position.

This makes me think of dogs that are trained to signal when their owner is about to have an epileptic fit (only of course they don't attack!).

I imagine the training in that case uses this inherent "dislike" of unusual behaviour from the pack member/owner in a positive way, by signalling that the dog is disturbed by it. In the same way that herding behaviour in sheepdogs came from humans learning to select certain elements of dogs' hunting behaviours and training them to use the skills we humans wanted, but not to go in for the kill.