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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Notwithstanding that post is a year old, nobody reported it at the time.

    I just checked all of the Reported Posts made from June 23rd to June 28th 2023 and nobody reported that post, simple as that.

    You can believe that or not, but none of the mods can read all posts in all threads - especially fast moving ones - so if it isn't reported there is a low probability that it get noticed by mods.

    Anyway, I have answered your query so let's get the thread back on topic now. Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,611 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Perhaps immigration / refugees / asylum seekers wasn't quite as big an issue for the electorate as people assumed?

    It was nearly getting overlooked that issues like cost of living, housing, healthcare, climate change etc would be just as important to the electorate. Large sections of the population don't live anywhere near an asylum centre and may not have felt personally impacted by the emergency accommodation crisis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I have a suspicion that foreign election candidates are targeting foreign voters and have some inside information .



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭LongfordMB


    I see they've finally deported a guy from the Congo after 19 previous convictions. So we allow him to commit 19 crimes in our lovely country before finally deporting, what a joke of a system

    Government ministers standing up saying there no link between immigration and crime is total misinformation. They are including legal migrants like French IT workers in that. The link between asylum and crime is clear and irrefutable, and adding thousands of young unidentified males to an area does increase volume of crime. Theyve already committed a crime getting here by handing their ID to a human trafficker ffs! Our citizens are supposed to face higher crime volume so some NGO activists can have nice warm fuzzy feelings?



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭babaracus


    There was nobody to vote for. The only real opposition or questioning of immigration issues came from the holy Catholic Ireland brigade and nutjobs. A new party, pro divorce, abortion and anti nanny state but also hard on crime, immigration and welfare dependency is badly needed.

    There is a huge swathe of the electorate unrepresented on the ballot paper.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Miharo


    I'd say there's a large amount of people who vote and don't follow politics and haven't really an idea of who they're voting for or what they stand for but have been told its their civic duty to vote. They might recognise a name on the ballot sheet and give a vote which gives the usual suspects a big advantage based on familiarity alone.

    Sure one of my family members said they voted for Niall Boylan in the euros and a PBP candidate in the locals which doesn't make much sense. My mother voted for some Indian lad because he sent her a Christmas card.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I think there's an appetite for change on housing and healthcare.

    Too much focus in this election on immigration, early days, but it largely looks as though that hasn't swayed the electorate.

    The rest of Europe looks to be under a lot of pressure from the far-right and anti-immigration populist parties, which is worrying, but I think the various pacts in place to keep them from power will hold up.

    I think the centrist parties need to rethink their approach to immigration across Europe and take back the narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    I'd say it will vary from place to place. In areas that feel impacted by migration I imagine there will be a larger number of independents elected. It will be interesting to see how it goes. As has often been mentioned by those of us concerned about the influx of asylum seekers, there is an unfortunate lack of candidates to vote for who represent a balanced, sane view on bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'd like to think, and again it's early days, that maybe the Irish public are, for the most part, too informed and considerate for the fear-mongering and dog whistles.

    Now that would be something to take a bit of national pride in. Where's me tricolour!



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,611 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, it does look like some 'far right' (or whatever you want to call them) candidates will be elected in the local elections, reflecting that immigration or asylum seekers are indeed a very big issue for some communities.

    But large parts of the country and the big cities like Dublin and Cork have probably been unaffected by the emergency accommodation crisis. There must be considerable numbers of the electorate who don't live anywhere even near a refugee centre or asylum hotel and who didn't feel particularly impacted by the issue - to them it might just be a remote issue or talking point.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭smokingman


    Yeah, if you were to read this thread you'd think we're on the stormfront website lately.

    Am hoping, like you, that that kind of hate isn't bothered with by most of us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,611 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'd agree the Irish electorate are very nuanced and are used to voting for multiple candidates on a ballot paper. They were never going to see immigration or refugees as a black and white issue or be that energised to place it above all other issues affecting the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭Augme


    Derek Blighe, well known anti-immigration candidate, with a whopping 56 votes first preference votes in the locals. Embarrassing.

    Edit - seems RTE have possibly gotten it wrong and Derek Blighe was in the 500s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭ECookie13




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭Augme




  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭whatever.


    I'm sorry but this statement cannot be allowed stand.

    It is yourself who constantly goes off topic.

    Engaging in vexatious and frivolous interjection undermining the sincerity of the debate and concerns of citizens for their country



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Not like rte to get it wrong when it comes to a candidate they don't like



  • Site Banned Posts: 22 Jimmychoo9


    The appetite is definitely there for change there is absolutely no debate about that.

    The natural first port of call would be to set a target of what houses and then whats needed both financially and labour wise to reach that target, But current you can't set a target because due to our asylim policy or lack of the numbers needed could be infinity. You genuinely couldn't rule out there been 1 million homeless in the country in a year or two and that's why it's such a big issue and rightly so.

    There is no real right wing party's here due to the likes of this issue been a relatively new one hence why no one is voting for them, Problem for all of us is in years to come there will be right wing party's and the will get votes if we proceed along the current path, never heard of the far right until about 2 years ago and going by the likes of Helen mc entee and the likes they are currently the biggest problem facing ireland.



  • Site Banned Posts: 22 Jimmychoo9


    And what are you basing that thinking on?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Presumably the same nonsense where people argue that unlimited immigration isn’t the problem - but access to healthcare, class sizes, budgets available and housing are - while conveniently ignoring the direct link between the two.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    Hilarious seeing how the usual loud mouthed, rabid, abusive left wing communities commenting this week about "crushing the right wing" and independents would do terribly as they're only voted by a "small lunatic minority".

    Same as how the referendum would be a landslide "yes".

    Funny seeing the screw turning today now and some excuses starting to appear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭Augme


    In what type of fantasy world situation do you think thered be one million homeless in a year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭prunudo


    yeah, turning but still not as much as I would have hoped tbh. Surprised how well the main parties are still doing. Although nice to see independents ahead of FG in Harris hometown lea at present.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,611 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Noticeable too that working class areas are still voting for the left : SF, PBP, independents etc and with no major swing to the right. It suggests immigration / refugees may not have been the vote winner that people were assuming.

    That has definitely set the cat among the pigeons for the general election - it may be that most of the parties will focus in other key issues like housing, health and the economy and not feel the need to discuss immigration and asylum seekers much of the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭prunudo


    still all very much early days, but tallys definitely seem to have FF being the biggest winner, or at least didn't loose as much as others. Probably Monday or Tuesday before we can draw any conclusions.



  • Site Banned Posts: 22 Jimmychoo9


    I didn't say I think there will be I said you can't guarantee there won't be as there is nothing in place regarding regulation to stop it getting to those numbers.

    The point I was making that you chose to ignore was how can we begin to address a problem when as a country we haven't a notion what number of new huses will be needed in 1,2 ,3 years ect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,611 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Martin seems to be a quite popular leader, especially in rural areas. I'm actually a bit surprised how well their vote has held up, given that they are four years in government (it may be that the fall off in support for SF is the key factor).



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭Augme


    I know ow you didn't say there will be. I asked what kind of fantasy world would it be to have that number. Are talking about the outbreak of world war 3? An asteroid hitting earth? A weather event never seen before in the history of human kind? A food shortage like the great famine? To me, those are the kinda of situations we need to have 1 million homeless within a year.

    Most normal people don't base their vote on those almost never seen before situations arising. And why would they.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Politicians have been constantly telling that due to climate change there will be massive numbers moving to Europe. If that is true a million to Ireland would be a very conservative estimate. Even if that happened over a ten year period we would be under some pressure to house them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭Augme


    Encouraged by all the People who tell then they aren't Irish and never will be. There's a section of society, like many of the posters in this thread, who are very quick to point out how foreigners arent irish.

    And that's fantastic, and fair play to you for doing that. It would be great if everyone was like that. Again, from what we've seen in this thread, some people here would rather sit there and tell Karim from Algeria that if he's Muslim he's a savage and a terrorised who hates women. And then they'll complain how migrants don't integrate into the community.



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