Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Eight months on, appears no evidence of mass rape...

Is it possible Israel is lying? Surely the Israelis would never lie?

No, this didn't start October 7th. It sure as hell escalated, but it didn't start.

When did it start, exactly?

One hostage reported sexual abuse in captivity. While awful, that is not the same as mass rape on Oct 7 of which there appears to be no evidence.

40 babies beheaded was a complete fabrication. Anyway, seems like the support for genocide is still strong on this thread.

Stuff like this from our national broadcasters is appalling.

We see the faces of four hostages.

The Israeli's had 1,200 hostages before the October 7 assault. They have thousands hostage now and a torture prison.

We see none of the faces of these hostages. No family photos. Not exactly unbiased reporting.

There is evidence of rape and sexual assault on October 7, you can click on the first article linked in the post above to see details. Israel made a mistake by not collecting physical evidence in their rush to identify and bury the bodies, but I guess they never thought that rape denial would become such a big thing.

Anyway, I'm glad that some hostages were freed and that noa argamani has been reunited with her terminally ill mother

“One of the most heroic and extraordinary operations I have witnessed over the course of 47 years serving in Israel’s defense establishment.” - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant

4 Hostages rescued and 200 Palestinians slaughtered.

If this is the most heroic thing the IDF has done in 47 years it is a damning admission of moral failure.

https://wapo.st/3ViDxzQ

Hmmmm.... Hamas thought to dehumanise? The Israeli's are the ones that have been dehumanising, implementing an apartheid state, imprisonment without trial, torture camps, etc.

The claim was mass rape and there is no evidence of mass rape.

There's a good breakdown here of the story

https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1799119035491295443

I guess the pro genociders don't care. Israelis should be allowed murder as many Palestinians as they want in the eyes of pro genociders

"If there's no evidence of sexual violence on the day I'd sooner believe it was for lack of time than inclination."

Maybe you might take time yourself to research where you choose how long the attacks at the Nova Festival and in the various kibbutzim lasted. In the latter cases it was many hours, from 7am to midday and later. Nova was fewer hours but still quite a few. And maybe consider the difference between the time involved in consenting individuals making love and a hate motivated rape.

Maybe you might take time yourself to research where you choose how long the attacks at the Nova Festival and in the various kibbutzim lasted. In the latter cases it was many hours, from 7am to midday and later. Nova was fewer hours but still quite a few. And maybe consider the difference between the time involved in consenting individuals making love and a hate motivated rape.

I'll restate:

I think it's accepted that compared to a regular military force, Hamas are a disorganised rabble. That in itself would lead me to believe there could have been widescale sexual violence. But even where the raid took several hours, it's not like large numbers of troops were enjoying a good loot and pillage while other forces were holding a front line - think the fall of Berlin or the sacking of Rome. The entire force was conducting a raid into Israeli territory and from reports seem to have been ferrying away hostages and roaming from place to place trying to hunt down their victims. That all takes time and they knew there would be a large and forceful response once the Israelis had time to react. That, I think, is the only factor that would limit sexual violence, because it sure as hell wasn't restraint.

Naturally, the Israeli government and IDF are going to lie and their spokesmen can't be trusted. Neither can Hamas. So really the only decent picture we'll get of what actually happened is going to be when this has all been de-escalated and there can be a more level-headed examination of the facts removed from the propaganda that's being thrown back and forth right now.

105 hostages were released in November through negotiation. Since then we have a number of hostages killed and four released through the idf operation. The mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians is not going to get the hostages back, nor does it seem the intention of the israeli actions.

Ilan Pape believes the very existence of Israel is under threat. Not necessarily from Hamas or Hezbollah but because of the genocide and the apartheid regime run in Israel. We are witnessing a Jewish version of Hitler and the Nazi regime. Their is a pathological hatred of Palestinians whose very land the modern state of Israel is on.

It is truly tragic that a people who were victims of a Holocaust could inflict such hell on another race of people after. I concur with Ilan Pape. I don't see how Israel goes forward from here. Gaza is in ruins. They cannot and will not defeat Hamas. They have no exit plan out of Gaza. In the north Hezbollah is wreaking havoc making parts uninhabitable.

Their economy has to be taking a monumental hit. The U.S is their only ally and even there young people are horrified at Israel's actions against the Palestinian people which could feed into the Presidential election outcome.

I can see that Israel felt compelled to retaliate for the October 7 attacks but their response has been so disproportionate that they have lost any sympathy and are now a pariah state around the world.

I think only a change initiated by domestic politics in Israel will change things. Even though Blinken is off to the Middle East it doesnt seem American support will disappear anytime soon and the ceasefire effort seems to have totally stalled.