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    #15062
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    tbh if you’re not challenging an executive you’re just doing an unpaid marketing extension for them. I’d consider not challenging Phil Spencer on the closure of the studio that made their most acclaimed titles in several console generations a pretty substantial wasted opportunity at best, and failure of basic journalism at worst.

    I for one would’ve like to see Spencer questioned (and challenged) about whether Hi-Fi Rush was considered a success, as per their own public statements and metrics, and if it was / wasn’t, then what does that mean for other studios operating on a similar scale? What do the closures mean for trust and morale at other studios, but also among the player base? Also goes for the sustainability of GamePass given the promises made about its ability to sustain smaller projects. Are all studios in Xbox one disappointment away from closure? Is this a consequence of the Activision acquisition?

    It’s not hard to challenge an interviewee fairly and politely. What’s even the point of doing the interview if you can’t manage that? Even if you just get stock answers, it’s important to push them because that’s when the interesting stuff can emerge, instead of just the pre-prepared corporate spiel.



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    #15063
    PixelPlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭PixelPlayer


    A good game does not equate to a successful game. They even brought it to PlayStation which was probably a last attempt to salvage the IP and guage whether a sequel was worth it.

    Success nowadays without any shadow of doubt requires continuing sales. GaaS or DLC at tbe very least. Micro transactions if they can pull it off but personally I see that model losing steam. It takes a generational game to pull it off. There I'd a generation of kids who were just he right age at jist the right time. I don't think it means that they will continue to play GaaS games and move onto other games and do the same thing, playing season after season and buying skins etc. I wouldn't even say its a given they will move omto COD because it's a very different game and has a steep skill curve. I think the only way the model works is by catching the attention of an age group, say 7-12. Something that is very hard to replicate.

    So basically, ongoing monetization. Fortnite level monetization? Unlikely.



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    #15064
    PixelPlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭PixelPlayer


    Not to stoke the console wars but I think if Hi-Fi rush was on PS it would have been a huge success. Mainly due to the general Xbox/Microsoft hate in the industry but also due to the mismanagement iissues mentioned above. Xbox do not spend nearly enough on marketing. Was the shadow drop the best why to release this game?



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    #15065
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,953 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Was it just me or did the South of Midnight trailer have some deliberate frame stutter, similar to the Spiderverse films? I couldn't finish the trailer so I hope it's something one can turn off because what I saw of it seems up my street otherwise.



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    #15066
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,560 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241457#Comment_122241457

    It looked like it was mostly just in cinematics, and it's a design choice to look something like Claymation. The actual gameplay looked like it runs at a higher frame rate and looked pretty smooth. Star Wars Jedi Survivor did similar where the gameplay was 60fps but cinematics were 24fps to make it look like the films. It was jarring at times. This probably looks even more jarring because the claymation is even less than 24fps.



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    #15067
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yeah just watched a chunk of the Spencer interview and it’s a waste of time. Just a shallow PR piece with only the most cursory of references to the recent chaos and closures. Hearing a bunch of fans cheering on his every utterance (even around the closures) is bizarre. He’s a bloody Microsoft executive!

    Anyway, the Kinda Funny interview in the wake of the Redfall release was a lot more probing. This one was just cringey fan service.



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    #15068
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,560 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241415#Comment_122241415

    I think the shadow drop worked well for Hi-Fi Rush, particularly because it was free on Gamepass. It got a lot of hype and attention really quickly and was really well received. The only way it would have done better on PS5 would be if it was a free PS Plus game. I think by the time it actually launched on PS5, a lot of people who would have been interested in it had already played it, likely through Steam (because it looked so unlikely to ever come to PS5).



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    #15069
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,560 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241528#Comment_122241528

    I'd say it was a condition of the interview that he'd answer a quick question about the closures, but wouldn't go into detail and then move on.



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    #15070
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241552#Comment_122241552

    Yeah I’m disinclined to blame the interviewer specifically as who knows what the corporate mandate was on either side. But given IGN now owns the majority of the specialist gaming press, it’s another example of the trouble with industry consolidation.



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    #15071
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241523#Comment_122241523

    I’m not an expert on the tech or the specific terms, but it’s possible to separate the animation rate from the frame rate / game refresh rate. So the animation can have a stylised, lower refresh but the game moves and plays with the smoothness and responsiveness of the high refresh rate. You can see it in the Spiderverse suit in Insomniac’s Spiderman games, or in something like Heaven’s Vault:

    https://youtu.be/ghsVOE93C9o?si=YzuValZGPq2JaQYV



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    #15072
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241570#Comment_122241570

    That is one thing I was wondering about because even in gameplay when it looked 60fps, some animations of the character still looked like claymation, but some maybe didn't (or maybe I was focusing on the environment at those points).

    I can see why it may look off, but at the same time I'd be interested to see what people think after playing. I'm sure you get used to it quick enough.



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    #15073
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,953 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Can't say I'm a fan of it. The Spiderverse suits were cool for a minute or two, but I couldn't play any more after that, had to switch back asap. Probably didn't help it was buttery smooth 60fps otherwise. Even in the gameplay for it this new one, it looked off. Just too jarring for me, and would put me off trying it because I know I won't just get used to it, i'll always feel like it's just not right. Pretty sure I had to give up on another game or two for similar reasons, the stylistic fps option… Or maybe I'm thinking of that stupid animation framed doll in the Death Stranding 2 trailer.



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    #15074
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I’m not a 100% sure, but watching the trailer for South of Midnight most of the gameplay animation seems to refresh at 60 but then maybe some things like when she stops moving at a slower refresh rate - maybe to transition into cutscenes more naturally? Standard combat and movement gameplay looks pretty standard to my eyes, a few animations aside maybe.

    A lot of the movement does seem animated to ape a doll or model though - there’s a purposeful stiffness to it which I think is meant to give that impression, and then there’s some textures and shaders that have that ‘handmade’ look too.



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    #15075
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,217 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Even if the animation is lower and in twos, there's or fours, as long as the game logic is running at a high framerate it should work fine.

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    #15076
    CastorTroy
    Registered Users Posts: 29,016 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Maybe it's something you'll get used to. I know when I saw the trailer for Into the Spideverse, I didn't like the animation due to the jankiness of it. But when I watched the film I got used to it and liked it.



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    #15077
    Mr Crispy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122241560#Comment_122241560

    The conversation has moved on, but just to clarify that this is my issue with the interview, not Spencer's responses (those were as meaningless as expected). The gaming press is so beholden to early access of hardware and code that they are, for the most part, completely impotent.



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    #15078
    PixelPlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭PixelPlayer


    Pixar have a new animation engine that does the stuttery on purpose style. It's very much the animation of the current era, I'd expect more of it.

    Personally I like it but only in animations. Anything beyond using it in cut scenes and it's a no for me but surely if they do it in game there will be an option to switch it off.



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    #15079
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,382 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122242309#Comment_122242309

    It’s worse than I thought: allegedly, free gifts were being thrown out to audience members who cheered loudest during the Spencer interview (and - to be fair - all the other IGN Live events over recent days).

    https://twitter.com/dreamboum/status/1800160138462212453?s=46&t=nwvJe3fJtU0siJ7wj5mjTA



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    #15080
    PixelPlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭PixelPlayer


    There was a moment in the interview that made me think uh-oh another studio closure on the way. Spencer saying what an amazing job Ninja Theory did for Hellblade 2 and how proud he is.



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    #15081
    PixelPlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭PixelPlayer


    I think this is normal with studio audiences but they really over did it to the point it was cringey. There were a few woot-woots when he talked about the studio closuresand thst most definitely was moment where the big "Silence" sign should have come out.



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    #15082
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,783 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Ubi direct on at 8pm our time. I'm actually looking forward to the star wars game even though i have zero interest in sw, sounds like it could be fun. New AC is also looking very nice. Upgraded combat and parkour was badly needed for years, the small bit shown already looks very promising.



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    #15083
    Mr Crispy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    And don't forget Beyond Good and Evil 2!



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    #15084
    EoinMcLovin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,972 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122242933#Comment_122242933

    That has to be dead at this point



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    #15085
    Mr Crispy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122243147#Comment_122243147

    It's just sleeping. A very very very very long sleep.



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    #15086
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,783 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Star Wars Outlaws actually looks really good. Like a 3rd person cyberpunk indoors, hop into your ship and take off into space, get into a dog fight before landing on a planet. One thing that stood out was the minimal hud which is nice for a ubu game.



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    #15087
    J. Marston
    Registered Users Posts: 23,160 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Cool gimmick in the Snake Eater remake.

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    #15088
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,560 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122243147#Comment_122243147

    I was going to make a comment about the PoP Sands of Time remake probably being dead too, but I remembered reading another Ubisoft studio had been added as a support studio for the game. Now it's been announced again for 2026. So it's still alive at least.



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    #15089
    EoinMcLovin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,972 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122243261#Comment_122243261

    So it's now a remake of a remake. You'd think they'd just write it off since they've probably lost millions in Dev cost already. Same with Beyond Good and Evil



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    #15090
    CastorTroy
    Registered Users Posts: 29,016 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    A remake announced in 2020 and taking longer than some new games.



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    #15091
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,560 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122243268#Comment_122243268

    In fairness given the reaction to the initial trailer, the fact they've decided to spend so long really rebuilding it from the ground up gives me more hope for it than that initial trailer.



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