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Emmanuel Macron dissolves French parliament and calls snap elections

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Eudaimonia


    Calling all Europhiles to rally to the cause and put the Front National is their rightful place. Macron might have to face realities and bring a crackdown on immigration but he won’t be able to do so pre election to convince the Latin and Gallic nationalists.

    What will sway this election is a vote on membership and existence of Europe which he will win. Then the Russian Ukrainian question will also discount Le Pen. One thing I will give her, she is wily, streetwise and manipulative.

    I reckon the two above issues will see her defeated as France is not a fascist country. Not the end of the world. Also more balls to Macron for showing disdain and throwing the toys out of the pram and accepting the challenge. Fortune favours the brave.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,701 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Marine Le Pen’s anti-immigration, nationalist party is estimated to get around 31-32% of the votes, a historic result more than double the share of Mr Macron’s Renaissance party, which is projected to reach around 15%.

    Mr Macron, who lost his majority at the National Assembly in 2022, is taking a big risk with the move that could backfire and increase the chances of Ms Le Pen eventually taking power.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/macron-dissolves-french-parliament-and-calls-snap-election-after-eu-vote-defeat-1635939.html

    Mi-figue mi-raisin 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,169 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Hi Nigel!

    Thats the daftest take I ever heard.

    You only have to look at Georgia Meloni. She's an avowed Europhile, but wants to lead in back to the right as a whole, not end it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Sanchez did something similar n Spain. Poor display in local elections so he called a general one and stemmed the rise of the right, practically removing the far-right on a national level in the process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Eeee, in Poland they ruled last 8 years. You can't even imagine, how they can destroy everything. I am so happy they were conquered eventually last October leaving country completely ruined and it will take ages to return to normal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Very personal opinion that but not shared by everyone. Poland has had an incredible rise in strength and wealth under the PiS. GDP growth has been collosol. More than halving the unemployment rate. Polish cities have statistically some of the lowest crime rates in Europe and you really feel that in the city centres there compared to Irish and other European cities.

    It has struggled with rampant inflation that much of Europe also faced but made worse by having their own currency. Now they've shifted left but only to the centre right EPP.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,641 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Macron did the right thing and it will work. Same thing happened in Spain last year and Sanchez called a snap election. The far right had swept across local and regional elections but failed to materialise a win when the snap election was called.


    It was messy and the government still didn't get an outright majority but it gave the far right a chance to actually govern at local level. In my area in Spain the far right party cooled their jets when they realised that potholes have to be fixed and people get angry when they can't open hospitals as quickly as previous government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,708 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Interesting that the brexit disaster has managed to transform parties to the right across Europe into something that looks electable by them abandoning similar exit policies.

    And that the UK is now swinging back the other way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Britain has a long way to swing yet. That said, Brexit was such a stupid idea that the Eurosceptics on the continent quickly ditched their own exit agenda.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    What are you talking about? Our GDP didn't hike in any way. Stays just average.

    And the latest GDP growth.

    While our debt sky rocketed especially outside budget. They also ruined our judicial system and if they stayed in power for 4 more years, we would have Russia system in Poland with oligarchs making their wealth from stealing public money. Not even mentioning rampant corruption, cronyism and nepotism.With hatred propaganda non stop on our public TV. Good luck in wishing anyone to live in a such country.

    And crime rates were even lower during socialism times because we were a police country, so it is not an achievement of PIS.

    Your view is very naive.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    That is some sweeping statement and a perfect example of the arrogance that has led to these right parties even getting a look in in the first place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    a bit of an overreaction I'd say. There were pretty much zero rumblings from anywhere about any new Brexit's in the EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Yeah, 9 years ago she was literally calling herself Madame Frexit and promising a Frexit referendum at every turn. While she might still harbour intentions of reforming the EU and will portray herself as taking Brussels on — the irony of course being that France itself is one of the key players in Brussels (insert Spidermen pointing at each other meme) — I imagine the penny might have dropped that the collapse of the EU and subsequent increased difficulty of intra-European migration would probably be counter-productive when really it's the non-European migrants Le Pen has it in for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Macron made 2 mistakes …. the first was being too hardline on the so-called 'pension reform' and not listening to the concerns of the people during protests about that …..

    The second mistake is hardline rhetoric regarding Ukraine …. too much talk of sending troops to Ukraine etc …. in other words inviting WW3 as a real possibility …. such bellicose language only emboldens the hardliners in Russia and Putin is more likely to give them concessions if Macron is talking like that …. ultimately shifting Russia's government further to the far right …. Macron meanwhile scares the French people and nobody wants to hear talk of NATO troops from their country going in to fight against the Russian army ….

    As if the European Elections and upcoming UK, Iranian and US elections were not enough …. this French election is thrown in as well …. we will have to wait and see …. this Marine Le Pen? …. will she be a real far right lunatic like Trump or Hitler or will she be more a French Georgia Meloni ?? … one thing is she is not her father and is more moderate …. in other words she may not be far right at all …. I do not consider Meloni to be real far right as she is too pragmatic and Marine Le Pen may be more like that than the lunatics in the US Republican party ….

    Ultimately we will have to wait and see …… Macron was a bit of a disaster and turned off large swathes of his electorate …

    PS … where is your man Sarcozy thesse days ??? Would he attempt to revive himself and grab an opportunity ?? …



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Good point regarding Ukraine. The bottom line most Europeans couldn't give two shiny sh its about Ukraine and certainly have zero interest going to war with Russia over it. Macron playing the tough guy over it has backfired massively.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Ah, I see the slightly more aggressive version is posting today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Did Sanchez and his government have three years left to run? I don't believe they had.

    From a strategic point, with three years remaining, what is the benefit of remaining in power (if that's his plan), but having a looser grip (the best possible outcome?)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,511 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The benefit, I think, is puncturing expectations about a coming far-right wave. He hopes to show that people will vote for far-right parties in euro elections in numbers that simply won't be replicated in national elections with a change of government at stake. Plus he hopes that the rigours of actually holding any office will take further shine off the Le Pen movement.

    The prize here is the next French presidential election. Macron can't stand — there's a two-term max — but he will hope to hand over to a centrist successor, not to Le Pen.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes, Macron was such a disaster that he was the first president since Chirac to get re-elected.

    Also your man Sarkozy is a) retired from politics, b) probably not that interested in a public role given his multiple corruption convictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Indeed, some risk of course that voters take umbrage to a perceived "when it comes down to it, Monsieur Tout-le-Monde will fall into line" arrogance — but Macron appears to be banking on not allowing months of narrative to build up.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Neither of those are mistakes. He has a democratic mandate to reform pensions and Europeans overwhelmingly support Ukraine. He may have went a bit too far threatening boots on the ground but his solid support is politically wise.

    Le Pen is far right, make no mistake. She's just not quite the knuckledragger her father was. That's the only real difference. Meloni is also far right but actually being in government necessitates compromise. Italy can't afford to be a pariah state so a lot of the invective gets ditched. Same thing in the Netherlands. Wilders wanted to leave the EU but that's been dropped.

    History clearly shows that the far right benefits nobody but themselves and people like this fella:

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They are more traditional left than far right.

    Their economics is very familiar to any left wing party, and even most Christian Democratic parties pre Thatcher and Reagan.

    They are a rejection of the idea that the pure unfettered free market is always good and always beneficial.

    The people who make up the left and "progressive" movements are people who have disproportionately benefit from the free market.

    The working class have disproportionately lost out from it.

    Hence parties like these are now the people's movement, the vehicle of the working class.

    Terms like left and right are no longer really relevant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,613 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    No I don't think this is true from my contacts. People do care, very much so - and Macron was an unpopular president despite being re-elected thanks to being able to exploit the "You can't possibly vote for the far right" trump card. That worked both times for him, but at least the first time, there was some enthusiasm about who he might be - he seemed new and promised change. Ukraine was irrelevant in 2017.

    Second time out, the invasion had happened but there was little to no disagreement about where France stood on that, especially in the political class. More of an issue was that he actually went out to celebrate in an expensive restaurant after the first round because he knew that going up against Le Pen again in the second round meant virtually certain victory for him. He won but not because he was popular, nor because of Ukraine.

    Ukraine is not the issue that most people have against Macron. The pension reforms, more so, because he was elected on an anti far right vote, not on a pension reform one: he said that he woudl listen to those non Macron voters who'd voted against Le Pen rather than for Macron, and then he promptly ignored those voters and oushed his reforms though.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,613 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    He has a democratic mandate to reform pensions

    As I explained above, this is not entirely clear. He was elected thanks to the anti far right vote, not because of support for his proposed reforms. He promised at the time that he would take into account the nature of that vote, but then immediately ignored it.

    I agree that support for Ukraine vs Russia is pretty rock solid in France. The reason many people are afraid of "boots on the ground" is because of a fear of escalation to nuclear conflict, not because they've lost interest in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,613 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    This is a very good point. Matthew Syed wrote a very good article about Nigel Farage making a similar argument - that ordinary people vote for him out of fury at how their problems are dismissed by a "superior" political class with little to lose, rather than because they genuinely support racism. https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/farage-is-a-snake-but-if-we-were-honest-on-migration-hed-have-no-fangs-cwqxfshmn

    (Irish politicians would do well to heed those warnings before the far right gets a hold here, but sadly it seems they despise ordinary people even more than politicians elsewhere do. Look at how the "official" take on the recent referendum is that the voters were "confused" and didn't really understand the issues.)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I never claimed otherwise. I merely said that he had a mandate for pension reform which is true. People voted for him and then he did it. It's how a democracy is supposed to work.

    This is just the old working class vs elites trope. People choose their politicians and they get the governments they deserve. That article can be summed up in two words: Politicians lie. It's one of the few things everyone can agree on.

    The metropolitan elites myth has been done to death. It's no truer now than it has ever been.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    As I explained above, this is not entirely clear. He was elected thanks to the anti far right vote, not because of support for his proposed reforms

    There is no reasonable way to make that distinction.

    He was the first choice candidate in both Presidential first rounds, and he increased his share in the first round in the second election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,613 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I mean, the disappointing numbers of first round votes for his policies, along with protests in the street, widely supported by polling numbers, are kind of a clue.

    Nobody argued that he was re-elected because people actively supported his economic policies. One could argue that he was re-elected despite them.

    And of course he increased his share in the second round. That's how the system works.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    Exactly! I thought it was Hilary Clinton there for a second.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The poster said he increased his first round share in the second election he participated in. He got 24.01% in the 2017 first round and 27.9% in the 2022 first round.

    In other words, after five years of his presidency, he convinced even more people to vote for him than the first time around.



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