Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It's becoming more and more clear to me that the correct approach to all this is to process asylum seekers outside EU soil in a range of third countries, burn the boats of the human traffickers, and return any asylum seekers who do make it here to those safe third countries for processing.

Anyone who says we should deport is actually being too soft. We must know if they genuine refugees or not before they touch European soil, given the social and economic cost of their presence here. The key is to not have to deport anyone by going on the front foot.

Now what do they think is going to happen when the next crash comes around? There will be more cuts and austerity but we won't have so much space to cut budgets, especially with the billions being spent on asylum seekers. Do you think people are going to be happy having their welfare, pensions cut, or tax increases while more and more asylum seekers are going to be coming in with their hands out?

I hope it doesn't happen, but think if it does, it's going to be extremely ugly.

"you're all pretending to be concerned about security and shortages, yet take part in these protests"

Careful now, that could be libellous. I, for one, have never attended a protest of any kind in my life, nor have I assaulted or intimidated anyone, threatened them with physical violence or committed arson.

I am very keen on knitting though so you can call me Madame DeFarge.

I think there's some decent points there but I'd argue, firstly that we don't have a 'free for all' approach to immigration. Certainly in terms of IPAs I think we have an approach which is quite centrist in it's origins and in why it's been retained. If you look around you'll see we're broadly similar to the rest of Europe.

I agree we need to look to why young people are moving to the far-right. I'd draw the line at admonishing people for being elitist and condescending towards them. Let's not forgot what far-right parties have historically done to their political opponent and other groups they disliked FFS.

I think lack of education around immigration is a big issue. I think too many drawn to the far-right get their ideas about immigration from that same far-right and the 'border control' TV shows.

I believe too that a lot of older centrist voters would love to do more on peoples struggles with housing (many will be struggling themselves) but feel just as helpless on the issue as those drawn to the far right.

When people are offering blantently incorrect ideas along the lines of 'we have a far-left free for all immigration system' I think it's fair to suggest they're poorly informed on the issue.

By all means challenge how our system works, and present alternatives, but there's nothing far-left or extreme about it. The origins of today's asylum systems lie in the practicalities of dealing with large amounts of refugees after ww2. It's largely centrist governments who've retained these systems, for lack of a better alternative, and I believe because they also serve a function of keeping people from living undocumented.

And perhaps others need to reflect on their own biases and misconceptions. We are a sovereign state and like other every state have a basic right to control our borders and decide just who is allowed into the state and who should be refused entry. We work as a society to improve our own country and to support our own citizens who are in need of help in any way. We elect a government to spend our taxes wisely and for the benefit of Irish citizens.

There are 6000 people who this government have granted to asylum who don't have housing.

We could make a massive super human effort, spend about €1b to build accommodation and give them all a place to live.

What do you think would happen then? Surely we would get 12,000 asylum seekers the next year all looking for a place to live, places that don't exist.

Do we build places to live for them as well? What if we get 50k people the next year, maybe 100k the year after that? If you took the first 10k, or the first 20k, then you've got to take them too, right?

It's too late to close this can of worms. There is no political will to even discuss putting some sort of cap on the numbers. Their only solution is going to be more government spending and more numbers.

Eventually something will break, unfortunately we're a long way off that.

They've been moved on, but more barriers are in place, this is has gone well beyond a joke.

Why are you so permissive of our country being scammed by non genuine people?

You always reply saying how stopping them isn’t going to solve the housing crisis without engaging with the main point that they shouldn’t be here at all, housing crisis or no

The lying. I found that very annoying.

I think it's important to recognise the truth as otherwise it'd likely be difficult to devise solutions, at least in my life anyway.

No, they don’t - that’s a BS false dichotomy you’ve just made up yourself

There can be a number of contributory factors adding to the stance that non genuine asylum seekers should not be here, additional unnecessary pressure on housing being only one of them.

Getting back to my original point, why do you think people that have no legal right to be here shouldn’t be ejected from the country? Don’t lie to yourself, you know well that the thousands that arrived in on flights and then claimed to have “lost” their passports are not genuine.

"Does anyone know what prompted the move by DCC?"

Doing their civic duty I would say. They have both a right and a responsibility to manage the streets of the city.

I'd say that at this stage the government are pursuing a deliberate policy of allowing IPAs to end up on the streets in the hope that word will go out on the old worldwide web and that numbers coming here will drop accordingly. Even if we get the three little pigs to start building direct provision centres round the clock we can never accommodate all the new arrivals. Some of them will inevitably be homeless.

Basically, the government will do everything to avoid dealing with the situation they've created and they'll pursue the standard Irish practice of hoping things will somehow resolve themselves without taking any direct action.

They must be in a right old quandary now because they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Either way, they'll be seen as naughty boys and girls by human rights watchdogs. Manage the IPA flood properly to reduce the numbers coming in - bad, bad Irish government. Let them in and leave them on the streets - bad, bad Irish government. Ironically, as a result of their fear of losing face internationally, they're going to lose face internationally. What a useless shower.

At this stage Dublin will be full of barriers by summer.

Processing of asylum claims from safe countries should be expedited, inform applicants that their applications are denied and that appeals are not permitted.