Your New WHS Index

anyone else notice the golf Ireland app now has a stupid banner running through the middle of your scores to click for the latest news

It’s annoying and stupid

i also get a pop up add sometimes when I log into the app…. And add for GI which I just have to hit x top right hand corner

what are they at??????

Recently had my first 4BBB that counted for my GI handicap. My understanding is that you take 90% of each handicap, the lower handicap player gets assigned the gross score for hcap purposes and the higher gets assigned the gross score + the handicap difference.

As it happened, it didn't make such difference (my counting score was 1 shot lower than my individual score would have been) but you could see cases where it could be very penal if one of the pair was not contributing. For example, if one player didn't contribute at all and the other played really well.

What are peoples thoughts on it?

I think you're mixing up with a matchplay situation (90% allowance) or the foursomes calculation for the overall team handicap (50% of team's total course handicap).

For standard 4bbb, your individual playing handicap = 85% of your course hc. So for example a course 11hc = playing 9hc (rounded). So you play off 9 and the best score of the pairing on a hole is what will "count". In principle, you're still playing yourself against the course albeit with a reduced hc.

One of the lads in my club had two good 4bbb scores (prize wins) so he's dropped by a shot as a result. This is great tbh. We all know the story of why is X not being cut for this?

On the other side of it, if someone plays poorly then don't get a bad score on their record. Because WHS didn't account for 4bbb in the past, some people would have done a general play card (rightly or wrongly). Now they shouldn't be doing that as the 4bbb now has it's own criteria.

Amen to that !! I want a world where your actual number of shots taken is your score 😀

Count yourself lucky, its one more than we have in our place !😁😁

I suppose in fairness, we probably wouldn't have half a dozen guys 5 or lower, well, maybe half a dozen or so. There probably wouldn't be much more in the 6-10 range either, less than 20 I'd say. Makes it easy to argue against a gross prize.

Its interesting though, with WHS, I see so many of the mid to high handicap players who have gained 2, 3, 4 or even more, shots with the new system (which seems to be fairly common across the board), I'm also seeing guys who would have always been, say in the 12-14 range and you hear they're now off 8 or 9. The voice in your head is kinda going "how ?". Guess it comes down to changing our longheld understanding or belief of what an X handicap should be.

Not too relevant for most people joined a club in my opinion as if they look at their last 20 counting scores, it is probably 90% are from their own club.

I got a + handicap in the last year, I am nowhere near that level, for me the issue for lower players is their 7th/8th scores are still consistent & if there is one really good score then you are not moving much.

To verify that I was not going made, I took my last 20 scores at the time using what would have being the CSS off whether it was white/blue, etc tees and the +1 in the new system was close to 2 in the old system.

I agree that they are not the same, I mentioned earlier that I would see scratch index roughly as the equivalent of a 2 handicapper under CONGU rules, also I know a 0.0 index could be scratch up to 4 handicap based on the course & tee markers that you play.

My point is for the course I am joined and most of the courses in my area that are popular, a 0.0 index is usually scratch off the whites and you might get to 2 off the blues though usually one.

In the old system CONGU rules, if I shot level par off the whites it would be 36pts, usual CSS was 38pts so it would be 0.1 back, now it is a score that returns an index which keeps you around scratch index.

The point I tried to make earlier is that when I got to -1.0, I took the 20 scores that accounted for that index, I used the CONGU system and the usual CSS and it brought me to 2 handicap where -1.0 index in my club is +1 off the whites and scratch off the blues.

This is what I do not find consistent, the same 20 scores on the old system gives me a 2 handicap whereas on the new system it gives me an index of -1.0 which gives me a playing handicap of either +1 or scratch depending on whether it is blue tees or white tees.

Consistent is the last word I would think of when comparing both systems:)

Is there anyway to download your score history from GI website or Masterscoreboard? want to do a bit of analysis and rather than manually plugging them into excel was wondering if they could be pulled from somewhere.

actually

im pretty sure i was able to export from club end when i was mucking around with it a while back… maybe ask your handicap sec if he can export information for yo

Short answer for GI is no and Masterscoreboard I'm not familiar with. I was looking for the same thing with GI/Clubv1 to help my club's handicap lads but to no avail. Maybe in future they'll make it easier. For now I think you need to manually do it or try to dump the page to excel/pdf in some way and manipulate it. Some smart person probably knows how to use python/data scraping tools to extract it but that is well beyond my means.

Does Howdidido not include this or similar in Stats section?

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Ask your Handicap Secretary to email you a copy of your Handicap Certificate, you are entitled to that.

It will be in PDF format and can be downloaded and edited .

Just to add to that, once a full 9 is played, the other 9 can be sliced and diced. Our 10 hole (1-10) moved to a 13 hole this week (1-11,15, and 18).

The move to qualifying has been a huge success in our club imo. Average winning scores are down about 5 shots and lets just say that the winners enclosure has a new lease of life.

We had a 21 win the 10 hole one week. 31 wasn't unusual last year.