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General Race Thread 2024 **spoilers**

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  • #752
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Thought Remco said he was sick/felt terrible!

    Excellent from Rafferty through the first time check



  • #753
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Very close to his leader Powless (presumably) but how will they finish? Intriguing.



  • #754
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Rafferty faded unfortunately. Not terrible but the time at the first check gave me hope for more.



  • #755
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    First sighting on a provisional start list in a while for Eddie Dunbar. PCS have him down for the Tour de Suisse (alongside Ben Healy)

    Archie Ryan, Rafferty and Ryan Mullen listed for Tour of Slovenia



  • #756
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Junior


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221990#Comment_122221990

    Insert Spiderman meme here of Geraint Thomas, Roglic and Dunbar all pointing at each other with some body part bandaged up. I've taken to nicknaming Roglic "The Pope" - he has to kiss the tarmac everywhere he visits.



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  • #757
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Coverage of todays stage about to start but I see from PCS that Decathlon and Trek have been pulling so they both think their man can be there at the finish.



  • #758
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Big crash at the Dauphiné with 20 kms to go. 30 riders down including Remco, not sure if he is going to continue. Race neutralized.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #759
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I don't know if the stage will continue today… on Eurosport commentators mentioning there may not be enough medical support left to cover it, as they deal with the number of injuries.

    From ProCycling:

    VAN BAARLE Dylan (Team Visma | Lease a Bike) moved to the hospital with a shoulder injury.

     KRUIJSWIJK Steven (Team Visma | Lease a Bike) moved to the hospital with unknown injuries.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #760
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    As expected at the Dauphiné Stage 5: The riders will ride the remaining 20k towards the finish in Saint-Priest. There will be no stage winner and no times changes for GC.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #761
    Thud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭Thud


    ..and no sprint for Sam



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  • #762
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122226602#Comment_122226602

    No, and hopefully no damage sustained either. I didn't see him named in the list of crashed riders on Pro Cycling so fingers crossed.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #763
    Thud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭Thud


    Has he done enough to get the tour selection?



  • #764
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Cycling News claim that

    "Nearly everyone in the peloton looks to have sustained some damage from that incident in some way shape or form"

    Remco has a gash on his leg. Looks very clean like the type you get from a bike part.

    Rog of course went down in the crash.



  • #765
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not sure where the info comes from but 30 riders apparently involved.

    VAN BAARLE Dylan (Team Visma | Lease a Bike)

    VERGALLITO Luca (Alpecin - Deceuninck)

    TOUMIRE Hugo (Cofidis)

    POWLESS Neilson (EF Education - EasyPost)

    MÜHLBERGER Gregor (Movistar Team)

    CORT Magnus (Uno-X Mobility)

    ROGLIČ Primož (BORA - hansgrohe)

    EVENEPOEL Remco (Soudal Quick-Step)

    LEKNESSUND Andreas (Uno-X Mobility)

    PACHER Quentin (Groupama - FDJ)

    LANDA Mikel (Soudal Quick-Step)

    AYUSO Juan (UAE Team Emirates)

    NAESEN Oliver (Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team)

    UMBA Santiago (Astana Qazaqstan Team)

    GAZZOLI Michele (Astana Qazaqstan Team)

    COMBAUD Romain (Team dsm-firmenich PostNL)

    WELLENS Tim (UAE Team Emirates)

    POLITT Nils (UAE Team Emirates)

    KRUIJSWIJK Steven (Team Visma | Lease a Bike)

    LEMMEN Bart (Team Visma | Lease a Bike)

    HINDLEY Jai (BORA - hansgrohe)



  • #766
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    These crashes, while we have always had incidents over the years, are quite worrying. This was a dead straight road albeit one with rain falling. What is it these days with riders falling off en masse? Is it really necessary to go descending in these conditions at 70/80 kmh? Are disc brakes and aero frames an actual disadvantage? I remember Sean Kelly, among others, weighing in on this after the Basque incident in April and it's important not to over react. But there is something in the cycling waters in recent seasons (10 years?) whereby too many riders are taking too many risks, with too little skill on show.



  • #767
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Footage from the side of road shows the speeds involved

    https://x.com/keyshawn__bava/status/1798722152763633671?s=46&t=GxIuxCwCL5-Eet2j65YTdA



    https://x.com/keyshawn__bava/status/1798722152763633671?s=46&t=GxIuxCwCL5-Eet2j65YTdA



  • #768
    ottolwinner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ottolwinner


    I was wondering my Eurosport coverage was showing yesterday Tt again. Then I checked cycling news.
    that was a rough one. I’m not sure where the blame game will send this one. Road was greasy but Plugge is well p1ssed with all the riders Jumbo have lost to crashes this year.



  • #769
    Raymzor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭Raymzor


    freshly paved road had little grip in the rain. Road was smooth with no chipping on it like Ireland.



  • #770
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224419#Comment_122224419

    Dunbar and Healy off the Tour de Suisse lists now.

    Healy is still down for the TDF for now



  • #771
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227566#Comment_122227566

    Not sure what can really be done - Basque country crash caused by roads in poor condition, this one by freshly laid and rain. I do remember one former rider (maybe Nico) saying that descents used to be a time to recover, whereas these days everyone carries on pushing.

    Personally, I'd say it's better overall standard of the peloton means that more riders are still in the group at points in the race they wouldn't have been or it would've been a bit more strung out. So when something does happen, more are involved.



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  • #772
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Catching up with the racing earlier, wtf, the break was sent the wrong way and lost a minute of their lead 30ks out??!

    https://twitter.com/writebikerepeat/status/1799084194423070967

    Eurosport lads talking about Gee and how its the ride of his life….were they not watching the Giro last year??



  • #773
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227566#Comment_122227566

    Wait till you try amateur racing, I will give you a lesson in taking risks without the skill to back it up.



  • #774
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,992 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122229604#Comment_122229604

    You would think that the teams have mapped out the route and would advise their riders of potential dangerous spots.



  • #775
    ottolwinner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ottolwinner


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233175#Comment_122233175

    Logistically impossible for them to do with a calendar of race events teams attend.
    esch team gets a race manual that has all that information including last 3km and finish line details from the race organisers. But even the details in that can change as when the race route is planned ir might be decided after to contact local councils about road repairs (repairs and surface upgrades are done without road inspection by race organisers) often done in days leading up to a race event.



  • #776
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Raffferty in a strong break at the Dauphine, with Barguil, Soler, Martin.

    There's been a heap more DNS & abandonments today.



  • #777
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Some mad performances there, Lazkano finishing ahead of Buitrago & Landa after 4000m+ of climbing, Tarling being in the front group halfway up the last climb, even Sam getting 3/4 of the way up the Ramaz before dropping, 10 mins after the likes of Froome



  • #778
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232673#Comment_122232673

    Oh, I've been there! Survived multiple Gorey 3-Days but as a mate once said, we only do this for fun.



  • #779
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I think Roglic has blown.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #780
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122237332#Comment_122237332

    Jesus, did not expect that with 5k to go, got away with it in the end!



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  • #781
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122237345#Comment_122237345

    just scraped in.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #782
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think the idea of Rog or Remco as a TdF contender is just clickbait unless it's a 2013 kind of situation.



  • #783
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Top-notch f*cking around in the Tour of Britain.

    Kopecky brakes to try and let Marjerus win, she celebrates too early, gets pipped on the line.

    https://twitter.com/eurosport/status/1799805299043303736



  • #784
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122237468#Comment_122237468

    well it’s a “tired from the Giro” Pog or one of the “not fully recovered” Rog, Remco or Jonas so it could be very interesting

    (Or it could be over but the second rest day)



  • #785
    Melodeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    I wonder what bearing the snap French National Assembly elections will have on the Tour?
    The first round is on Sunday June 30th while the race is still in Italy, but the second round is Sunday July 7th, the day of a hilly stage in France.
    Closing roads through towns and villages could make it tricky to allow people access to the ballot, even if it's only for a few hours at a time in each place.
    I wonder if they could perhaps bring the rest day forward and go racing again on the Monday?



  • #786
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Healy and Ryan off to Slovenia

    https://twitter.com/EFprocycling/status/1800283719972036608



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  • #787
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122240390#Comment_122240390

    I'd cross out the middle two, It is between Pog and Jonas. And it will then depend on how well Pog has recovered but while, no matter who you are, he has completed the Giro, he never looked that phased by it so I don't think he will be far off top form but that can change easily in a few days.



  • #788
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It's impossible to say how Vingo's recovery has gone and where his conditioning is at. But if I had a gun to my head, there's no way I'd bet against Pog. He looked immense in the Giro, regardless of strength/ otherwise of the field, while hardly breaking a sweat and with the UAE B team as back up.

    Unless Remco pulls some form out of the bag, ambushes everyone in week 1 and somehow hangs in through to week 3, I can't see him ever troubling Pog.

    Heart says Rog is a genuine contender, but head says its a bit like the last days of Contador when he was up against the Sky Train… he'll be there/ thereabouts, but never really look like taking the race by the scruff.

    Having said all of that, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few surprise packages lasting the course in the top 5 of GC. So many top quality young riders coming out of the woodwork these days. Whether they can stay within striking distance of Pog to week 3 is another question.

    TLDR; Pog to gobble up stage wins and look supreme on the top step of the podium.



  • #789
    MangleBadger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    Every year I have a different rider I would like to win. Last couple of years it was JV as I was a bit tired of Pog's dominance. Now I'm a bit tired of the Jonas dominance and Pog is just such a likeable personality.

    I like Remco. Don't think he can win.

    Not sure if he can win, but I would love to see Roglic do it. If not Rog, Pog.

    Wonder if he would then change his Worlds/Olympics plans to target the Vuelta for the triple crown.



  • #790
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    The Worlds would be the triple crown if he won the Tour as well!

    I don't Remco or Rog will win the tour unless something happens to Jonas and Pog. I suppose it already has happened with Jonas. I do like Rog, but seeing him put in trouble by never before GC men at the Dauphine has to be some cause for concern.



  • #791
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244966#Comment_122244966
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122245096#Comment_122245096

    There is always a disagreement on this but my understanding is that the Triple crown is the Tour, Giro and Worlds. Not sure the worlds suit him but what doesn't suit him still has him as better than everyone else in many scenarios. He could well do the Vuelta as well if the tour doesn't throw up an immense challenger to him.



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  • #792
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122249337#Comment_122249337

    The Triple Crown is definitely Giro, Tour and Worlds.

    The Vuelta's current prestige is a new thing. Didn't switch to Autumn til the 90's and didn't even have a distinctive leaders jersey til 2010.



  • #793
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122249444#Comment_122249444

    I think it could be a language thing from a younger generation, maybe referring to them as the three grand tours, then someone hears triple or says triple and that's where the confusion comes from. Last man to do the triple crown was Roche. Pog probably deserves it but its nice to have Roche on such a short list of achievers.



  • #794
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Surely winning the 3 Grand Tours should be called the Grand Slam. Doesn't happen often enough to have garnered a proper label.

    *edit the Grand Slam refers to winning all of the tennis "Slams" if I recall correctly so of course in cycling it should be the Slam Grand.



  • #795
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122252074#Comment_122252074

    We'll make it a thing. Before long everyone will be saying it.



  • #796
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122252091#Comment_122252091

    Step one ask on the Lanterne Rouge podcast is Slam Grand the correct term. They'll automatically embrace it.

    By the by Bahrain get a stage win today for Gino. Hard to believe it's been a year. Yates looking pretty strong.



  • #797
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122252130#Comment_122252130

    Ha, just seen the podcast on the train home where Benji had the same issue about the treble. 100%, a bit Trump like but if you say it with conviction, enough people will copy it, that by the time anyone fact checks, it will be the truth.



  • #798
    MangleBadger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    I 100% guessed the triple crown would be the 3 GTs. But then I have only been following bike racing for 5ish years. But with my recency bias glasses on I would think it would be a much more impressive feat to win the 3 grand tours in a year than to win Giro, Tour, Worlds



  • #799
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122253300#Comment_122253300

    This week really is the week for cans of worms isn't it?! 😂

    The Worlds is usually a pretty stacked field, whereas one of the Vuelta or Giro is usually missing a good few big names. The Giro is traditionally the bigger race of the two, so it gets the nod. But these days I think the Tour, Vuelta, Worlds is on a par with the Giro, Tour, Worlds.

    Only thing to do really is go Giro, Tour, Vuelta, Worlds. Over to you Pog.



  • #800
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,170 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122253300#Comment_122253300

    It's just because it used to be almost impossible to do the Giro and Vuelta. Of course Merckx had to come along and prove you could. In 73 he won the Vuelta and lined out a week later to win the Giro (4th in TdF that year)

    Some good info below. For instance I never knew only 8 riders have done a career Triple Crown.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Crown_of_Cycling

    Another reason the classic triple crown is more prestigious is it sort of shows you are multidisciplinary.

    I think in modern times with specialist riders what Pog is attempting with monument and GT doubles is far more impressive than GT doubles/triples.



  • #801
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122253357#Comment_122253357

    Yeah, that's a fair point on the modern overlap between Monuments and GTs. Wouldn't like to see the sport becoming too homogenous, where the main men are equally capable of winning on any terrain… I just kind of love the art of each separate discipline. But it's impressive as hell what some of the current generation are capable of doing.



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