2024 F1 General Discussion Thread

He wouldn't be at the front but he would get the most out of car,the car it's self will not win races no matter who designs it,Max I think far ahead off anyone on the grid

Tsunonda confirmed for another year at vcarb. Just 1 year is a strange extension

That tie up between red bull and honda involving a Japanese driver was always unspoken. But it was likely the case. Red Bull were negotiating to get the IP for honda engines for the RB engine manufacturing, when honda was pulling out of F1 and red bull signed Tsunoda. Then honda decided to get back into F1 after selling the engine technology.

Honda makes the worst decisions. They're good when they throw an extra billion at it, but they enter and leave F1 at all the wrong times

So thats 19th or 20th instead of 16th or 17th place start next race?

Formula 1 is a complex sport, and with the right car and development platform, most drivers on the grid could compete for a World Championship. Lewis Hamilton’s age might be affecting his performance in qualifying, where quick laps are crucial. Younger drivers tend to excel in this area due to their faster reaction times. However, Lewis and Max Verstappen remain the top racers overall. During the Canada weekend, George Russell was all over the place, while Lewis maintained consistency. Lewis leaving Mercedes will likely impact the team’s direction, benefiting George. This dynamic is typical in Formula 1 and I do think that in terms of car direction and strategy, Lewis is not reaping the same benefits he did last year.

Russell out qualified and beat Hamilton at Canada. Russell himself said he was messy, and Hamilton equally said the same, so I’ve no clue what you are taking about with consistency, results matter.

Again, and not a go at you, but we are getting plenty of excuses, none of which could be that Hamilton could just be past his best. It’s not a dig, it’s natural for even the best to go off the boil.

The top drivers, for me, right now are: Verstappen, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz and Piastri. On current form and car performance, they are the best on the grid.

@n.d.os interesting post. I agree on the Hamilton part and there seems to be valid factors that are not helping his performance rather than it being cut and dry decline due to age. I do hope he can hit the ground running with Ferrari for the sake of F1but it will be a tough ask.

I can’t buy into your rankings though. Seem a bit inconsistent to me in terms of the what you’re valuing.

ndos, sorry, but your post is all over the place. Top 3 drivers are Max by a distance, (what’s this nonsense about him losing his head) Lando and Charles.

I’m on phone but happy to take the post fully apart later

I still don't agree with this LeClerc is a class above some other drivers including his teammate. The rationale for this tends to be the qualifying gaps and that LeClerc is faster over one lap. Well unless it's Monaco or a washed out Spa, Grand Prix tend to be longer than one lap.

And Hamilton has never been a brilliant qualifier. I think we tend to assume the best racers are naturally the fastest over a single lap, but Hamilton's race performance is better than his quali performance.

In Russell’s first year with Mercedes, he drove the W12 while Lewis Hamilton focused on addressing the team’s issues. The data I’m referring to primarily comes from journalists who analyze free practice, qualifying, and race day events. Rather than prematurely concluding that Hamilton has lost his edge, they delve into the nuances. While Russell has outqualified Hamilton this season, he still lacks the consistency of the seasoned champion. Russell tends to make more mistakes, becomes overly aggressive after errors, and lets emotions affect his performance on Sundays. In contrast, Hamilton starts reasonably well, manages his tires effectively, and consistently finishes in the same place or higher.

Verstappen’s status as the best driver on the grid is partly due to his long tenure with Red Bull and their top-performing car. This mirrors Lewis’s dominance during his peak years. Piastri, when compared side by side with Leclerc in Monaco qualifying, appears to be the quickest driver currently. If he improves tire management and McLaren’s performance, he could lead the pack. Piastri’s maturity and level-headedness set him apart.

Leclerc excels on Saturdays but struggles on Sundays. Alonso, despite being a great driver, hasn’t had a competitive car in years. His last championship win was in 2012, and sitting in the midfield may hinder his chances of another title. I think the same thing is happening to Lewis at the moment.

I started watching F1 in 1990. Don't play that card. It doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

Apologies ndos if i came across like that in my post.

But, for you to say Max loses his head under rpessure is completely way off the mark.

George - He's a liability who we now know makes mistakes when under pressure to make a move/defend

Piastri - He's not a rookie anymore. He has enough experience now that he should be able to challenege Lando week on week. He's not as good as Lando (yet) imo

The most consistent on the Grid is Max, not Lewis. (Look back through the last few years stats)

LeClerc is a superior driver to Sainz, on both a Saturday and a Sunday. IMO of course

It’s widely known that Lewis took it upon himself to experiment with different setup changes in an effort to diagnose the issues with the W12. This continued until at least the summer, and eventually, they made progress in addressing the car’s performance toward the end of the year. I think you are picking apart what I’m saying here trying to make out that it is simply an opinion. I don't believe I said he was a tester for the team. I very clearly said that he was busy “addressing the team’s issues.”

Regarding George Russell, he faced credible media criticism after his performance in Canada. Starting from 1st place, he finished 3d, while Lewis, starting from 7th, finished 4rd. Despite George’s talent, Lewis remains more consistent on race days. George tends to push hard under pressure, which sometimes leads to near-collisions. He almost took out Piastri and Lewis in Canada, divebombing both of them. Although George beat Lewis fairly in Canada, Lewis’ consistency on Sundays still sets him apart. It’s worth noting that Toto Wolff’s interest in Verstappen suggests he sees potential in George but recognises Verstappen as a world champion for the team.

I think you are taking a very simplified view of F1 with your opinion on drivers. You're too focused on how they are doing now. Taking a broader view of Formula 1, it’s essential to consider drivers’ past performances and their potential for the future. Verstappen, like Lewis and Alonso, relies heavily on the car’s performance. Telemetry data, race-craft, and season-long performance in various conditions distinguish exceptional drivers. While you may perceive an anti-Verstappen bias, the same argument could apply to your view of Lewis. In 2021, both were closely matched in equal machinery, despite performance fluctuations throughout the season.

Regarding Piastri and Leclerc, Piastri’s cornering speed is well-publicized, while Leclerc excels in braking and on the straights. Norris, like George, lacks the confidence of a championship. Piastri could surpass Norris if McLaren builds the car around him and not Norris, although I know they both like a similar car. Leclerc’s Monaco performance highlights his track knowledge, and I believe he’s currently marginally better than Lewis. However, a side-by-side comparison in new machinery in 2026 will provide further insights.

Lastly, Lewis hasn’t lost his edge. F1 dynamics are complex, and attributing a driver’s form solely to recent performance isn’t accurate. If Red Bull’s performance declined and Verstappen struggled, we wouldn’t hastily conclude he lost form. Lewis, with the right car, will undoubtedly compete for wins again once he builds back up his momentum. Remember, F1 success relies on a delicate balance: 70% car and 30% driver. It may never happen for Lewis again which would be a shame.

James Vowles has openly praised Lewis Hamilton’s talent in an F1 interview. According to Vowles, Hamilton is “the most naturally talented driver” he has worked with, even surpassing Michael Schumacher. Vowles highlighted a crucial shift in Hamilton’s mentality over time. Initially, Hamilton had a “win at all costs” approach, but as he matured, he recognised that consistent podium finishes contribute more to championships than pushing for individual race wins. This strategic mindset allowed Hamilton to focus on improving the car in 2022 and supporting the team during a very challenging season.

It’s well-documented that Lewis extensively tested new parts, ride heights, and car versions before George Russell did that year. It would be silly to suggest that George just sat back but he was new to the team and his input at that point was nothing close to Lewis's.

It’s widely known that Lewis took it upon himself to experiment with different setup changes in an effort to diagnose the issues with the W12. This continued until at least the summer, and eventually, they made progress in addressing the car’s performance toward the end of the year. I think you are picking apart what I’m saying here trying to make out that it is simply an opinion. I don't believe I said he was a tester for the team. I very clearly said that he was busy “addressing the team’s issues.”

So Lewis took it upon himself to do it, that it not the same as you saying he was focusing on the teams issues, like you claimed. Both drivers were addressing the issues, the problems they had plagued both cars. Russell just got more out of the car, and finished 4th in the championship and with the teams only win, while Hamilton was 6th.

Regarding George Russell, he faced credible media criticism after his performance in Canada. Starting from 1st place, he finished 3d, while Lewis, starting from 7th, finished 4rd. Despite George’s talent, Lewis remains more consistent on race days. George tends to push hard under pressure, which sometimes leads to near-collisions. He almost took out Piastri and Lewis in Canada, divebombing both of them. Although George beat Lewis fairly in Canada, Lewis’ consistency on Sundays still sets him apart. It’s worth noting that Toto Wolff’s interest in Verstappen suggests he sees potential in George but recognises Verstappen as a world champion for the team.

He faced no "credible media criticism", do you have any to provide there? Pretty sure he was very open about his performance the minute he got out of the car. He owned his own mistakes in a very tricky race. How does Lewis remain more consistent? Russell is beating him this year in the races, so if Lewis is being consistent, you have to apply that to Russel, no? No clue at all how you can say Hamiltons performances are setting him apart when he is being beaten, what sort of logic is that? I think it is worth noting that Wolffs interest in Verstappen is an attempt at disturbing Red Bull with all that has happened there this year, there was no way at all Verstappen was going to leave the team. If you really believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

I think you are taking a very simplified view of F1 with your opinion on drivers. You're too focused on how they are doing now. Taking a broader view of Formula 1, it’s essential to consider drivers’ past performances and their potential for the future.

I was thinking the same about you pal. Of course I am focused on how they are doing now…that is really all that matters. You seem to want to go back far enough to try and make your point and ignore the current performances of certain drivers. Teams will use the current trends to make decisions, not what happened years ago. Drivers use their past experiences for more money.

Verstappen, like Lewis and Alonso, relies heavily on the car’s performance. Telemetry data, race-craft, and season-long performance in various conditions distinguish exceptional drivers. While you may perceive an anti-Verstappen bias, the same argument could apply to your view of Lewis. In 2021, both were closely matched in equal machinery, despite performance fluctuations throughout the season.

News flash…ALL drivers rely on the cars performance. Where have I said otherwise? You are the one trying to paint Verstappen as having this magical aid, when Lewis had the exact (maybe even more of an advantage) during his dominant years at Mercedes. 2021 was close, but of course it did help that Verstappen was taken out at Silverstone and hindered in Hungry that year to help Lewis close the gap. Besides, we all know how that ended.

Regarding Piastri and Leclerc, Piastri’s cornering speed is well-publicized, while Leclerc excels in braking and on the straights.

What do you even mean Piastri's cornering speed if well-publicised? (you keep making reference to things being well know or in the media…are you sure about that?). How the hell does Lecelrc excel on the straights…what does that even mean? The straights have nothing to do with the drivers skills…at all, that is all down to the car and downforce levels, sweet lord!

Norris, like George, lacks the confidence of a championship. Piastri could surpass Norris if McLaren builds the car around him and not Norris, although I know they both like a similar car. Leclerc’s Monaco performance highlights his track knowledge, and I believe he’s currently marginally better than Lewis. However, a side-by-side comparison in new machinery in 2026 will provide further insights.

What are you on about pal. Neither Norris or Russell have won a championship in F1. What do you mean they l"lack" confidence? They are both race winners, Piastri is not. Why would McLaren build the car around the driver who is currently being beaten by the other? Leclerc win was down to this skill, all the drivers live in Monaco pretty much, so if you are inferring that because he is from there he has some advantage, that is weird take.

Why would we have to wait to 2026 for further insights? They are going to be teammates in 2025.

Lastly, Lewis hasn’t lost his edge. F1 dynamics are complex, and attributing a driver’s form solely to recent performance isn’t accurate. If Red Bull’s performance declined and Verstappen struggled, we wouldn’t hastily conclude he lost form. Lewis, with the right car, will undoubtedly compete for wins again once he builds back up his momentum. Remember, F1 success relies on a delicate balance: 70% car and 30% driver. It may never happen for Lewis again which would be a shame.

This is sounding like someone who thinks they know what they are talking about, making an arse out of themselves. Where does this "delicate" balance come from 70% car, 30% driver, what???

And this "F1 dynamics are complex, and attributing a driver’s form solely to recent performance isn’t accurate". How else will you attribute it then? If you want to go back far enough to make a driver seem like they haven't lost an edge, you can go back to show where they were making a mess of things as well, you can't have it both ways.

Hamilton is winless in the last 3 season, he has made more errors as well, Spa 2022, Singapore 2022, he even said his performance in Canada was one of the worst of his career, but you were focusing in on Russell for that, weren't you? The results and performances in the last 3 years (is that going back too far for you) indicate he is losing something. He was beaten by Russell in 2022, and is currently being beaten by him now.

Take the blinders off.

If you didn’t know any better, you would think Sainz is ahead of him in the Championship. Sainz is a great racer, but LeClerc consistently beats him in qualifying. So, I suppose that puts LeClerc in a better position on Sundays to take more podiums. I think Ferrari was mad to get rid of him, but I’m obviously happy to see Lewis moving to new pastures as Mercedes is on a downward trajectory at the moment. Perez shouldn't be in that seat next year but there was no chance Red Bull were going to take Sainz. The only way he ever stood a chance of getting a good seat for 2025 is if Verstappen jumped ship to Mercedes which is looking very unlikely at this point.

They changed the rules after . Actually I think it was because of him

What’s weird about these rules, it can enable a driver like Antonelli (basically the core of this rule change now), but a driver in Indy car STILL won’t qualify for a super licence.

Thats a bit dumb.