Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

There are 6000 people who this government have granted to asylum who don't have housing.

We could make a massive super human effort, spend about €1b to build accommodation and give them all a place to live.

What do you think would happen then? Surely we would get 12,000 asylum seekers the next year all looking for a place to live, places that don't exist.

Do we build places to live for them as well? What if we get 50k people the next year, maybe 100k the year after that? If you took the first 10k, or the first 20k, then you've got to take them too, right?

It's too late to close this can of worms. There is no political will to even discuss putting some sort of cap on the numbers. Their only solution is going to be more government spending and more numbers.

Eventually something will break, unfortunately we're a long way off that.

They've been moved on, but more barriers are in place, this is has gone well beyond a joke.

Why are you so permissive of our country being scammed by non genuine people?

You always reply saying how stopping them isn’t going to solve the housing crisis without engaging with the main point that they shouldn’t be here at all, housing crisis or no

The lying. I found that very annoying.

I think it's important to recognise the truth as otherwise it'd likely be difficult to devise solutions, at least in my life anyway.

No, they don’t - that’s a BS false dichotomy you’ve just made up yourself

There can be a number of contributory factors adding to the stance that non genuine asylum seekers should not be here, additional unnecessary pressure on housing being only one of them.

Getting back to my original point, why do you think people that have no legal right to be here shouldn’t be ejected from the country? Don’t lie to yourself, you know well that the thousands that arrived in on flights and then claimed to have “lost” their passports are not genuine.

"Does anyone know what prompted the move by DCC?"

Doing their civic duty I would say. They have both a right and a responsibility to manage the streets of the city.

I'd say that at this stage the government are pursuing a deliberate policy of allowing IPAs to end up on the streets in the hope that word will go out on the old worldwide web and that numbers coming here will drop accordingly. Even if we get the three little pigs to start building direct provision centres round the clock we can never accommodate all the new arrivals. Some of them will inevitably be homeless.

Basically, the government will do everything to avoid dealing with the situation they've created and they'll pursue the standard Irish practice of hoping things will somehow resolve themselves without taking any direct action.

They must be in a right old quandary now because they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Either way, they'll be seen as naughty boys and girls by human rights watchdogs. Manage the IPA flood properly to reduce the numbers coming in - bad, bad Irish government. Let them in and leave them on the streets - bad, bad Irish government. Ironically, as a result of their fear of losing face internationally, they're going to lose face internationally. What a useless shower.

At this stage Dublin will be full of barriers by summer.

Processing of asylum claims from safe countries should be expedited, inform applicants that their applications are denied and that appeals are not permitted.

Post of the day, would thank more than once if possible!

Depends what the expectations are though — UK politics shifted well to the right on the immigration issue and so far all the Take Back Control crew have achieved is record numbers coming in. The right wing government in Italy has also achieved effectively nothing in terms of delivering on the numbers.

Anyone who thinks Ireland needs to shift to the right to tackle asylum seekers or migration numbers should also be honest with themselves about what can be achieved. The answers to the issue are not found in the Left / Right divide, nor have they ever been, as migration has become more and more a feature of the world regardless of the pendulum between left and right. That's because the demand for the things that make migration possible — our own desire to have the freedom to migrate, the admission that some form of inward migration is good, the demand for easy international travel, and instant reliable communication methods — are not going anywhere under either side.

Neither Left nor Right have the answers to this and I think a level of humility as to the sheer enormity and difficulty of the issues is something that is lacking. Going through this thread you'd think it were the easiest thing in the world. That is a dishonesty and as long as people labour under that illusion they're damned to a life of being perpetually angry about immigration until the day they die.

Leaving aside the far-left whataboutery, I think your theory falls quite flat on the basis of your claim that a small cohort have started voting far-right for the lack of a center-right alternative.

Even if we were to accept that FF and FG are no longer center-right, despite how they align in Europe and their economic approaches, it seems very unusual that all these far-right candidates would start popping up to fill a center-right vacuum. Would it not be more likely to see an explosion in center-right candidates?

In truth the reason I think we see a thankfully very small shift to the far-right, is simply because they offer far easier answers to the problems affecting the country. A centrist candidate might have to explain how to fund housing, deal with labour shortages, a dysfunctional construction industry, the necessities of an IPA approach etc. For the far-right they can simply blame the 'elites', the NGOs and the foreigners. This is where greater honesty from centrist candidates and education could make a difference imho.

Our asylum approach is only really a free for all for hotel owners (more evidence it's not leftist, let alone far-left). What IPAs actually receive here, apart from some Ukrainians, is quite in line with typical rates and benefits around the EU.

No, see, you’re not getting it. Those of us with issues regarding our government’s handling of the asylum seeker/refugee crisis, only have the thoughts we do because we have been manipulated by the far right and bad actors. Nothing to to do with areas of our city covered in tents, scenic areas being boarded up, billions spent on bogus asylum seekers who shouldn’t even be here in the first place while our public services are at a all time low…

No, we just need to be educated so we can ignore the above and have the correct viewpoint. How condescending! It’s like something the religious orders came out with back in the day FFS!

As is often the case on this thread — (1) dismiss nuance; (2) apply the bluntest interpretation possible of what was actually said; (3) extrapolate a meaning that looks as bad as possible so that your argument looks better.

I've never said do nothing, I said be honest about expectations. That helps to keep your views realistic and avoid idealism, aspirational thinking and absolutism as regards those who disagree with you ("I am totally correct, they are totally wrong. I am smart and have common sense, they are stupid and don't").

I'm not getting into an argument with you but you've actually described the pro-"let everyone in no matter who they are, where they are from and whether we can afford it and what adverse effects it will have on Irish society".

To an absolute T.

100% - and exactly what most people have said. The chancers are being given all the resources available meaning nothing for genuine cases. We also seem to have absolutely no interest in separating said chancers, here for freebies from those seeking actual protection. If our Government doesn't care enough to distinguish between the two why should we ?

I've said it before - we need a large detention facility at the airport, either Guards or Defence Forces patrolled. No one leaves until we have established who you are, why you are here and one single lie - out you go. If you're allowed in and commit one crime, out you go.