Electric Picnic 2024 **No Ticket Sales / Requests** - Waiting in line, terrible time, over familiar

When Calvin Harris dawns the stage I think I’ll have a couple of cans on this new bridge!!

Fair dues to your mate OP.

As I was saying above, anyone challenging them legally will get their cash back (or the option of completing the purchase). Ticketmaster are relying on people not pursuing it. It’s the behaviour of bullies.

Same with taking dodgy landlords to court for not returning your deposit or wrongly threatening eviction. Ditto broadband/phone providers, insurance companies, etc not fulfilling their contracts. They’ll pay you off if you threaten or instigate legal action or call the regulators on them.

These people skirt around the law and rely on people not challenging them. The more that take them on the more they’re pegged back.

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klarna will sell the debt to a collection agency and if any instalments are unpaid they will chase you. You will have gotten your ticket already though.
my point was non refundable deposits are common though out industries and that’s what ticketmaster instalment tickets are until final payment. The legal/contractual rule is that ticketmaster/FR have legal and contract right to the deposits paid.
morally obviously it’s crappy if they don’t facilitate the final payment after the deadline or issue refund.

As I said I've no problem with all that but your last paragraph doesn't really answer the question in my second last paragraph. In a hypothetical situation where a festival hasn't sold out and doesn't sell out by the time it happens "How do you see the decision going if the seller would be out of pocket by refunding the buyer?"

Just because they have time to resell doesn't mean they'll be able to if the demand isn't there.

A trickier scenario as I said above but the judge/magistrate would act pragmatically if it ever got to court and that will NEVER happen. My entire point is that anyone losing their instalment payments who challenges TM will either get refunded and/or given the opportunity to pay the final instalment.

Legal hypotheticals won’t come into it as TM would never allow a claimant to get to court. They cannot allow themselves to be in a scenario where the could lose significant money through a precedent AND have their business practices forensically scrutinised. Hence you don’t hear of cases against them being listed at either the Small Claims Court or any other avenue for litigation. They stop it every time..

I’ll buy beers at the Salty Dog for anyone who goes to the Small Claims Court and loses their €25 fee. #ChallengeTM

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As I say every year, it's the hope that kills you.

Of the acts I expected/hoped for only NewDad, Nas, Kneecap & The Waterboys turned up so it’s hard for me to guess what we’ll get. Undoubtedly more shite and a lot of good young Irish acts plus decent eclectic acts for the SD, Croi and Jerry. We’ll also get more from APE and Rock-en-Seine but hard to second-guess the FR bookers. Maybe Thundercat, Inhaler, The Last Dinner Party, Floating Points, Ezra Collective, Mitski, TV Girl, The Kills, etc.

I still believe there’s a serious chance of LCD starting the second leg of their European tour here as they’ve done before. We’ve had this discussion on James Murphy before so let’s not go over it again and see what happens. I’d not be surprised by an EP announcement at the start of July after their Malahide show and Glasto sub-headliner. At this stage it’s all conjecture unless acts are ruled out by clashes.

Fontaines cancellation a mess and Lana Del Rey feels like a huge loss now giver her Reading/Leeds booking. Unless of course that’s a coup that FR pull out of the hat (very unlikely) as a late surprise. They still have a possibility of turning it around (for us lot anyway) with a solid 15 acts that appeal. Ain’t asking for much out of circa 45 main arena artists to be announced.

I'd honest to God jump at a totally scaled back festival in the same spot with just the satellite stuff, Salty Dog, Jerry, Trailer Park, Body and Soul back in, the old OV tent, Mother DJs etc. 5000 capacity, some basic glamping, some independent brewers. Exactly the same level acts that those stages are/ were booking. I presume Melvin has the clout to veto that, but that would be a great weekend for me. Just take the main arena out of the equation.

Yeah, you aren’t getting a headline act for a 50-70k festival in europe for less than €400-500k (unless your glasto)

All of them can comfortably sell between 20-40k tickets in ireland with little to no hassle. By definition that’s EP headliner calibre. Much as people on here might rightfully think certain headliners are atrocious they all sell tickets in the tens of thousands here.

Recent concert history here in ireland is just a google away.

EP booking fees have been subject to court case in prior years and other sources

I was actually going to qualify here as odd one out as she hasn’t done headline show here since she blew up in last 12 months. Would say she is 3 arena level now at the very least.

general rule of thumb in the industry is 1/3 of ticket revenue.
noah kahan sold out Belfast vital at 30,000 x £61. That £1.8m in revenue so his fee would be around £500k mark at a minimum. So if he is getting that for playing Belfast the night before EP you can be certain that’s what’s his price is for stradbally show

500k minimum, could been closer to €750k. Doubt even Billie eillish got €900k, though she did a bunch of FR festivals in a package deal so exact breakdown between reading/Leeds/EP is hard to even guess.

No I did not. Said headliners are between €500-€750k range. Court case back in 2013 cause John Reynolds was not happy that FR paid the Killers 500k to headline EP 2012 and said EP got stung for it as FR wanted the Killers for their other festivals in europe around then and needed EP as part of the package deal.

Only point I’m making is when an-artist can sell 30,000 tickets and generate nearly €2m in revenue here in ireland EP is not going the cheap route by booking them. Agents fight a hard bargain for their artist.

EP will stay roughly same capacity for next few years.
won’t be second weekend or any downsized festival at stradbally.
longitude will pivot more towards dance music. They have moved back from being concentrating on chart rap/rnb to include dance acts a bit more in last year or two. It’s mainstream current chart festival so whatever is popular dictates line up.

Maybe they will extra day just for 2 johnnies audience

Its the last roll of the dice this year. 2025 will see further descent into hellish vandalism and musical harikari with the 4 horsemen of the shitpocalypse. Gav James, Picture This, Kenno, 2 Jonnys.

They are at Glastonbury this year on the Glade Stage, which I can already see as being ridiculously over-crowded.