Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Post of the day, would thank more than once if possible!

Depends what the expectations are though — UK politics shifted well to the right on the immigration issue and so far all the Take Back Control crew have achieved is record numbers coming in. The right wing government in Italy has also achieved effectively nothing in terms of delivering on the numbers.

Anyone who thinks Ireland needs to shift to the right to tackle asylum seekers or migration numbers should also be honest with themselves about what can be achieved. The answers to the issue are not found in the Left / Right divide, nor have they ever been, as migration has become more and more a feature of the world regardless of the pendulum between left and right. That's because the demand for the things that make migration possible — our own desire to have the freedom to migrate, the admission that some form of inward migration is good, the demand for easy international travel, and instant reliable communication methods — are not going anywhere under either side.

Neither Left nor Right have the answers to this and I think a level of humility as to the sheer enormity and difficulty of the issues is something that is lacking. Going through this thread you'd think it were the easiest thing in the world. That is a dishonesty and as long as people labour under that illusion they're damned to a life of being perpetually angry about immigration until the day they die.

Leaving aside the far-left whataboutery, I think your theory falls quite flat on the basis of your claim that a small cohort have started voting far-right for the lack of a center-right alternative.

Even if we were to accept that FF and FG are no longer center-right, despite how they align in Europe and their economic approaches, it seems very unusual that all these far-right candidates would start popping up to fill a center-right vacuum. Would it not be more likely to see an explosion in center-right candidates?

In truth the reason I think we see a thankfully very small shift to the far-right, is simply because they offer far easier answers to the problems affecting the country. A centrist candidate might have to explain how to fund housing, deal with labour shortages, a dysfunctional construction industry, the necessities of an IPA approach etc. For the far-right they can simply blame the 'elites', the NGOs and the foreigners. This is where greater honesty from centrist candidates and education could make a difference imho.

Our asylum approach is only really a free for all for hotel owners (more evidence it's not leftist, let alone far-left). What IPAs actually receive here, apart from some Ukrainians, is quite in line with typical rates and benefits around the EU.

No, see, you’re not getting it. Those of us with issues regarding our government’s handling of the asylum seeker/refugee crisis, only have the thoughts we do because we have been manipulated by the far right and bad actors. Nothing to to do with areas of our city covered in tents, scenic areas being boarded up, billions spent on bogus asylum seekers who shouldn’t even be here in the first place while our public services are at a all time low…

No, we just need to be educated so we can ignore the above and have the correct viewpoint. How condescending! It’s like something the religious orders came out with back in the day FFS!

As is often the case on this thread — (1) dismiss nuance; (2) apply the bluntest interpretation possible of what was actually said; (3) extrapolate a meaning that looks as bad as possible so that your argument looks better.

I've never said do nothing, I said be honest about expectations. That helps to keep your views realistic and avoid idealism, aspirational thinking and absolutism as regards those who disagree with you ("I am totally correct, they are totally wrong. I am smart and have common sense, they are stupid and don't").

I'm not getting into an argument with you but you've actually described the pro-"let everyone in no matter who they are, where they are from and whether we can afford it and what adverse effects it will have on Irish society".

To an absolute T.

100% - and exactly what most people have said. The chancers are being given all the resources available meaning nothing for genuine cases. We also seem to have absolutely no interest in separating said chancers, here for freebies from those seeking actual protection. If our Government doesn't care enough to distinguish between the two why should we ?

I've said it before - we need a large detention facility at the airport, either Guards or Defence Forces patrolled. No one leaves until we have established who you are, why you are here and one single lie - out you go. If you're allowed in and commit one crime, out you go.

That didn't last long. Tent city is back on Leeson bridge this afternoon. They just moved across the road.

Looking at the election results, most people either don't care or feel the government are doing a good job handling the situation.

The voting public have well and truly but that one to bed. There's no interest in pulling the plug on asylum obligations barring a tiny minority.

When did I say peole have no legal right to be here soundtracks be ejected? Quote the post where I said that.

Yes they are. Hence the reason they are constantly linking the housing crisis and asylum seekers. It's been a constant. So you don't think we should let any foreigners into the country? As you say, adding more to the list is just stupid after all.

We will agree to disagree on that one. The little regard for genuine cases is pushed by people says Ireland is full, what's happening is a plantation, Muslims don't align with our culture, our culture and traditions are the most important thing. It's pushed by people who don't like foreigners, hence the reason they are think most Ukrainians should be sent back home at this stage as well. "Sure there's only a war in one half of the country."

Newsflash. Something can exacerbate a problem without being the sole cause of a problem.

No, Roderic O'Gorman is ruining the tourist industry.

The older people who in the majority own their property outright?

They don't give a rats rear-end about other people's struggle to get on the housing ladder.

The government have never regened on their legal obligations and have made it clear they never will.

Maybe people here on this thread are fed up .certainly looks that way as another poster said ' 834'+ 'pages in .

But according to our recent election results only a very small.percentage are very fed up too ./s

Maybe a GE will tell us exactly how many are really fed up and how many are just spinning a narrative ? !

They have a legal obligation to process any request from asylum. As soon as someone lands on the island of Ireland and makes a request from asylum Ireland has a legal obligation to process that application. Whether the person arrived here legally or not is completely irrelevant in the eyes of the law.