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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    There are lots of reasons to vote. Immigration is just one of many. To suggest that this was just about immigration is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes I agree .

    This was meant to be the safe protest vote .

    People think twice about their vote in the GE .

    We will definitely see what the majority think then .

    And if that is more of the same how will people feel then ?

    Just like if it is a veer to the right many more will have to accept and make the best of it .



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I think we have enough public "information" campaigns from the government on asylum seekers.

    • They're paying for our pensions.
    • They not taking up social housing.
    • They are not putting pressure on public services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Everybody knew the Greens were gone, terrible result and rounded on by their government colleagues . That was not a surprise to anybody here or in the country . They have been pvssing away their goodwill since before the last election with their 'drive ' to turn us into a green economy with little regard for affordability.

    So Independent Ireland did better than a poorly performing small party who were in government ? ..well done them ;/s

    Government parties normally do poorly in locals and not so this time .

    Why ? Concerted effort by those who did vote to keep the right out ..and that was only half the electorate . Transfers went even to government candidates .

    Expect much more in the GE .

    Who wants people who can do nothing except shout and use a mobile phone in government looking after country and economy ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nobody EVER said this here .

    Much more nuanced discussion going on here ..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/18cise2/mcentee_opens_up_finally_on_the_governments_lax/

    Helen McEntee said it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The notion that this election invalidates concerns about immigration are just nonsense.

    The Green Party were almost wiped off the map, getting only 3% of the local vote.

    I am certainly not a Green Party fan, but I don't think that totally invalidates public concern on climate change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    From that short clip it sounds like she's talking about inward migration in general and it relates to aging population only.

    No mention of IPAs or asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,607 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's all the same.

    At no stage have this government even tried to make a distinction between allowing immigration that would be beneficial to Ireland, and stopping immigration that would be costly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    You seem to have forgotten to bookmark this…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The notion that the only politicians who care about Climate Change is the Green Party is nonsense you mean .



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Are you talking about immigration ??

    Or asylum seekers?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Danes have very sensible politicians it seems who act on the behalf of their citizens, leftist Gov too I believe. Which is quite interesting, would love to see such common sense from our lot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Well we have certainly have nothing to learn from that dubious link you have just posted here ..

    " Voz Media is an American conservative Spanish-language news media firm founded in 2022 by Orlando Salazar.[1][2][3] Its headquarters are in Las Colinas, Irving, Texas.[4][1][2][5]"

    We like to read from independent secular verifiable sources in this country and foreign privately owned ultra Catholic and right wing media is none of the above .



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Voted in democratically by Danes ..as our Irish politicians are by Irish people .

    Free Democracy is great isn't it , Donald ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,693 ✭✭✭✭klose


    What is the point of this comment and what are you trying to say?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Who is twisting the narrative? Looks like someone other than the left is ...

    The only opinion poll that matters is an election ..we had that last Friday and this poll (article May 17th ,) now means nothing ..you know this .

    Next opinion poll that is worth noting is whenever we have a GE .



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭Augme


    Yes, let's take an opinion poll that doesnt involve everyone over an actually election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes ..and It worked .

    So expect more of the same .

    Should make some people happy one would think .

    Not being a supporter of FFG I can't say it would make me vote for them but there are many who will I am sure and be happy to keep the right out .

    Goodnight.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Tents are really start to build up again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Well im sure you know, Ireland has at least in the recent past never voted extreme. So that was never going to happen, certainly not in a local election.

    Lets not forget they didn't vote for the pro asylum crowd either, the government prob did just enough before the elections to put some resemblance of order back or at least the perception of and in doing so saved more of their seats. With the exception of the greens, but that is another story.

    If the next government is FF/FG without the needs for the likes of the greens or labour expect a lot more of a correction. Which no doubt will lead to more cries of "pandering to the far right" but apparently pandering to the left is fine.

    If i use myself as an example, I am very much for massive improvements in our immigration/asylum policy. Did i vote "far right" in the election? No… i voted for the local FF CC because he he actually puts in the effort and gets things done. And i am sure there are many many like me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    "Nobody told the Polish border guards that. They are batting them away, using tear gas and generally doing battle against them."

    And that's under Donald Tusk, not a right wing or far right person by any means. Tusk has always been pro-Europe - and of course spent many years in the EU administration. He's liberal by Polish political standards where views are very polarised and the Catholic church still has considerable influence on some older voters, supports LGBT rights, wants to introduce civil partnerships for same sex couples etc.

    But Poles are very pragmatic and they have much longer memories than we have. Poles still remember that it was their king, Jan Sobieski that saved Europe from becoming part of the Ottoman Empire, back in the 1600s when the Polish forces turned the Turks back from the gates of Vienna. It resonates with them.

    Just a week or so ago Tusk spoke of the present situation in Europe regarding illegal migrants:

    The “brutal truth” is that the “survival of Western civilisation” depends on preventing “uncontrolled migration”

    "We [must] wake up and understand that we have to protect our borders...[or] our world will collapse"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    The thing is though — who actually disagrees with Tusk on that one? People come out with this stuff as if there is actually an empowered administration out there that thinks otherwise. There is no political establishment in Europe that advocates a policy of uncontrolled migration. We have experienced a large spike in asylum seekers and refugees since 2022 — with the ending of Covid restrictions and the start of the war in Ukraine — and people have seemingly taken our reaction and lack of adequate ability to deal with this satisfactorily as being the same as having a policy of uncontrolled migration.

    Even Poland, with all its talk about migration, has taken in millions of Ukrainians who aren't "vetted" and there is no feasible way for them to fully understand the nature and character of every last person who has arrived. Even the countries that talk the talk on migration have ended up not quite walking the walk because there was, and is, a prevailing geopolitical event that has affected Europe widely and is not the result of some simplistic narrative on "open borders" or "uncontrolled" migration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Fitzy149


    Would you prefer i use Al Jazeera as a source than the Christian publication ?

    Another video below - different source - reports on the same findings of the Danish research on Immigration.

    The point made is that we are being asked by posters here to "educate ourselves re Immigration" .. that if we "knew more", we'd all be happier about it.

    Well my education includes reports on what happened when Palestinian refugees have been granted refuge over the past few decades.

    Here's a little refresher for you :

    One poster already commented on these facts :

    1. King Hussein's Jordan was the only Arab country to fully integrate the Palestinians. They repaid his kindness by trying to assassinate him and take over th country
    2. The Palestinians were granted refuge in Lebanon. Until their arrival, it was a peaceful country - they managed to start a 15 year civil war and massacred Christians .. 150 000 people were killed. 1 million Christians fled for their lives.
    3. Under yaser arafat, the PLO gave full support to Sadam Husseins invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

    iT is no surprise the other Arab countries will not accept Palestinian refugees

    Armed with this education, I as an Irishman do not want Palestinian refugees in my country.

    I've been educated about Immigration



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Egypt literally have a giant wall to keep them out (a fantasy of one of our most vocal let everybody in posters). But sure we'd love to host them!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    What media would you consider to be unbiased? I mean anyone could find something wrong with any publication that didn't suit their view point?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I think it's worth having some more details on what Tusk said and the situation in Poland.

    The prime minister said that his government “will do what we have to in order not to violate [legal] standards and to prevent situations that violate the core of humanitarianism…It cannot be that people are dying on the Polish side of the border”.

    Human rights groups estimate that dozens of people have died on the Polish side of the border since the crisis began.

    Tusk noted that the practice of so-called pushbacks introduced by the former Law and Justice (PiS) government – which involve sending migrants back over the border – “are illegal from the perspective of international law”.

    He said that he would seek to create a situation at the border in which “pushbacks are not needed at all”. However, he also “will not make any decision that will recklessly result in our border becoming less tight than it is now”.

    It seems Tusk is actually trying to pull back from this situation created by the last government, the populist right-wing PiS party.

    We've had several sketchy reports of violent IPAs on this thread at the Polish border. It does seem that there's violence alright, but it's not at all clear who the instigators are. One report in the link above reports that Belarusian guards pushed a migrant to his death at a border river.

    It's certainly the case that Belarus and Russia have been facilitating this new migrant route into Europe. Russia has even introduced direct flights to Moscow from migrant hotspots in the middle east. The purpose of this, and of course the Kremlin's involvement in the wider anti-immigration movement, is to sow division within the EU. Those calling for national solutions to the migration issue, such as Denmark's, which seems to only push migrants to other European countries, are giving them exactly what they want.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,693 ✭✭✭✭klose


    But the minority isn’t war free and the minority is fleeing, and the minority grows as Russia slowly moves west. Such a nonsense sentiment.

    “The war is only 100km down the road lads so stay put ye are grand”



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