Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

The IFA absolutely needs to put people on the radio and TV that have the scientific knowledge, excellent on air communication skills and have the ability to debate. The issue is just too serious. Just because you can win a farming organisation election does not mean you should be on the media debating the other side. Was it Francie Gorman on Claire Byrne this morning? He did his best but it was an horrific listen. He was trounced in debating terms by the other speaker and Claire Byrne!

Definitely yes.
The powers that be need to show how the excess nutrients produced by livestock farms are actually fertilising tillage land and reducing the use of artificial fertilizer. This argument is used here to demonstrate the importance of livestock/poultry production in the overall scheme of things, and it works because it kills any argument against livestock numbers and stocking density.

Been to Nantes a few times and the Loire is actually green.

They won’t pay for them though, same in co ops farmers will give out about the likes of Kerry all day long but they’ll send the highly qualified farmers elected to represent them on the co op boards to negotiate with the plc board about the next potential jv and then wonder why they can’t get a good deal.

Francie made a complete fool of himself yesterday on claire Byrne, his heart is in the right place but just kept circling back around and not answering questions had no actual figures to back up anything he said, Dr.Mcgoff really did make him look like just a stupid farmer which we all know he’s not.

Any time a goverment/dictator has went about meddling in farmers ability to produce food, and cut the legs from under them, you end up with widespread starvation and famines, spent the last two weeks listening to the real dictators podcast and every single one firstly villified and ocstrachised farmers turning the general public against them and then implemented polices to destroy farmers and collectivise land….

The path the Eu commission and are own shower of head-bangers like An taisce/greens are openly advocating socialist/communionst polices its crazy stuff

The research is there. Just it doesn't suit the present crusade.

"Room for improvement in conventional and organic systems

In conventional systems, a variety of N management methods are also possible, such as no-tillage, low N input and CCs… Studies on no-tillage systems have shown a decrease of NO3 − leaching by a factor of two to four (Angle et al. 1993; Drury et al. 1993). "

I keep being told by an Taisce the cows have to go in the press. Then the government is saying we need more tillage and is throwing money at it. Teagasc is saying farming sectors should not be pitted against one another. The Grain growers at the ploughing match are showing muck and proclaiming they won't take it. An Taisce is then lobbying the EU to drop Ireland's derogation for stocking rate. The EPA is saying there's no change in water quality. We're up in the best of the EU. But the lobbyist's against the cows are saying the derogation should go if we don't improve again. We'd a sample project of grassland in Timoleague under grassland and derogation stocking rates which improved N leaching rates. And we've now an increase in tillage area in the east of the country from the more money thrown at it.

Do you not remember rte blocking a very educated and brilliant speaker the time of the calf fiasco, https://www.farmersjournal.ie/news/dealer/behind-the-scenes-for-primetime-lineup-775245

The media especially rte have a agenda and theyll block/not allow anyone getting a platform that can represent farmers and come accross well

As @Siamsa Sessions said the ability to come up with %'s on the fly is enough to bamboozle the opposition. The dr knows that cannot be true but it doesn't matter if it wins the argument and is disputed later on. The same one recorded footage in Ferrycarrig, Wexford with Duncan Stewart looking stern. And said all the nitrates in the Slaney were from cows. She would have passed by one dairy farm between enniscorthy and Wexford Town. She didn't know the area but it didn't matter it made television.

If her argument was swung around and it was said tillage ground emits 20ml to water and pasture with cows emits 5, 6, 7ml. Would she then say the cows must stay and tillage must go to save the environment?

She would in her behind. The science is saying the above in measuring leachate. But face it she's anti science and a fundamentalist against livestock. That's all. Part of the green party coming in power was a call from members to get the badgers. They got the badgers under protection of the OPW and away from the dept of agriculture. Another was to end the derogation of stocking rate in this country. Which they are working hard on atm through members as the dr and an Taisce.

Sold my last few calves today. 300 euro for AA bulls, sold ones like them for 40 euro 2 months ago. That's supply/demand for you....

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