The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Who said it was a success? You asked were the votes went? I pointed out they gained votes.

They dropped in the polls in the lead up. I get why FF/FG are citing polls and not seats won/lost, but lets not confuse the two.

My spin? I heard her. She was bullshitting. That's what politicians do. Of course it was a major kick in the teeth for them.

They see the island as one. They would lose all credibility if they cut ties with NI. Even FF flirt with NI.

Like what? I can't think of any scandals that would eclipse FG's own selection.

Whatever the disadvantages, they gained seats. FF/FG/Green, lost seats.

Who lost votes since the general election?

It reads like you are trying to show there are in fact two SF's. We must remember that as they are two different jurisdictions, they of course need to be different animals in practice.

There's no theory, they are an all Ireland party. MLMD is the president. She's MON party leader.

I agree on the state of NI politics. Any southern led party with representation in NI, would need to adapt. For your theory to hold weight we would need dismiss the SDLP, DUP, Alliance and so on. That's denying the NI statelet it's democracy, whatever form it takes. Also we have more than our fair share of people who will vote for a party no matter what they get up to, based on family allegiances. It's these allegiances that keep FF/FG on life support.

Heard Pearse giving out in the Dail about an issue I'm personally involved in.

Thought I'd drop him a line with my thoughts so went on the oireachtas website.

Clicked on the link to his personal website. 404.

Sent an email to his listed Gmail address. Bounced.

Sent an email to his listed oireachtas address. No reply 10 weeks later.

You seem to be talking in circles on the one hand you agree that SF are "two different animals" in the two jurisdictions. That is a fact in my view. But At least we agree on that much.

In my mind that is one party in theory, but two parties in practice.

You mention the SDLP Alliance etc. It's my view that only when those parties are favoured by the electorate basically the "middle ground" NI cannot move forward. The DUP and SF are just two sides of the same coin. They just drag each other down together. Trying to get constant oneupmanship.

From a ROI point of view what is SF's next move? Start getting back in touch with the working class roots and accept the the "New SF" vote will not materialise enough to get them in government? I heard mention by one of the left parties saying all of the left parties should make a pact to work together to keep FG/FF out of government.

But let's be honest that is not really likely they are too mixed. And out for their own parties interests.

I think SF would honestly be better off in opposition for the next 15 years or so, until they find their feet from a strategic point of view. And the more shady aspects of SF have literally died off. Talk of governance is way too soon for them.

No. They are the same party operating in two different jurisdictions. Of course they have to adapt, due to the different rules and regulations.

That's fine, but MLMD is the leader in fact.

No idea. I would like to see them push on housing and health. Like all the other ongoing crises, immigration will likely drop from the headlines in the coming days. When they were at 30+ in the polls they were no different than what they are now. I don't see a need for any rebrand, just less jumping on band wagons. The hate speech bill will be the next disaster for anyone who openly supports it.

I'm more interested in the good of the country. Sitting in opposition, by choice, for strategy isn't very honourable IMO. We need FF/FG out yesterday. As expected, the Greens are all but shutting the door behind themselves.

Too soon? When you look at Harris and McEntee, all the time in the world won't make them competent.

That's the one, but it seems the model is back. Personal attacks on posters, snide comments, spamming threads with nonsense to stop discussing the topic

Pulling posts from one thread and copying them onto another was the carry on today

Absolute nonsense and that's just on boards. It's like the wild west on other platforms

the results of the election really haven't gone down well.

It's that the support is so unwilling to actually talk about SF policies, it's all deflection and empty statements.