Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

So you think we should reject 100% of Asylum seekers while also claiming that anyone who isn't in favour of rejecting 100% of Asylum seekers is "complicit in murder, death and genocide of actual refugees".

You do see the flaw in your position yea?

Sure all I've heard in the build up to this election is how it's going to be a watershed moment and how the established parties will get a shock and how it's time for change. All I've heard since is excuse after excuse after excuse as to why that didn't happen. I've no doubt it's always going to be "the next election is where things will really change".

So FF/FG are not pro asylum? Asylum laws are the responsibility of a FG TD. If they aren't pro asylum why is everyone whinging about the current situation then? This notion that it's the greens in charge of everything in government is comical tbh.

Well war is a hell of a lot different these days than it was then with the technology they had then, if it was happening today and the unionists had the technology Russia had to day (mortars/drones etc) I doubt you’d begrudge the people of Dundalk fleeing would you?

I’m not pro senseless immigration fwiw, I have massive issues with it like most here, think Ukraine is at least not as pressing as the African/middle easter migration.

"It seems Tusk is actually trying to pull back from this situation created by the last government, the populist right-wing PiS party."

Tusk has a tricky line to navigate. He has only a small majority over PIS so he has to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds to some extent and every EU leader has to have an eye to domestic politics. Polish sensitivity over their borders is part of who they are due to their unfortunate history and you can be sure that Tusk is genuinely committed to protecting them.

I regularly read HRW and Amnesty, so I'm aware of the terrible plight of those at the Polish border who have been cruelly enticed there by Russia and Belarus and it is Putin and Lukashenko who are to blame for the situation, not Poland. While there have been some tragic cases of deaths there, there have also been aggressive attempts by some of the young men to break through the border fence and we simply can't let them all cross into Europe.

We've always had wars and we still do so we have genuine refugees from those wars. We now have climate change and the prospect of parts of the world becoming virtually uninhabitable within a generation to add to the mess. We have to find new ways of dealing with these things or as Tusk says, our world will indeed collapse. What's the solution? There is no single solution but central and northern Europe simply cannot physically take in the vast numbers who want to come here.

NGOs seem to be suggesting Winnie the Pooh solutions but this is not Winnie the Pooh. This is Game of Thrones - and winter is coming.

You might be interested to know that while the data in that report comes originally from a Danish parliamentary question the actual interpretation shared by Mr Farage is from a Danish blogger called Emil Kirkegaard.

This individual publishes pseudoscientific journals claiming to be a research fellow at a made up institute called the 'Ulster University for Social Research'.

He's part of that group that publishes actual Nazi stuff about some races supposedly having lower IQ than others. Other members of this group have made many claims purporting to show the Irish 'race' to also be of lower intelligence.

We've had this stuff in the thread before but what's especially disgusting about Mr Kirkegaard is that he also advocates for the legalization of incest and peadophelia. In fact he lost a libel case where he tried to sue a twitter user for calling him a peadophile online. https://en.everybodywiki.com/Kirkegaard_v_Smith

I didn't think this thread could sink any lower than it has previously but thanks to Nigel Farage's hatred and lies we have.

I'm quite sure that specific group had nothing to do with any of the events you claim were caused Palestinians.

They were in Denmark at the time.

Ukraine is 1316 km wide and Russia has barely moved anywhere in two years.

I think very few people would take the actions of smaller groups like this as representative of the 'uniform behavior' of the people of a country or a 'race'.

It's akin to picking out the IRA or the Kinehans and saying all Irish are thugs or terrorists.

It's really only extremists such as Farage or this Kirkegaard guy who push this kind of stuff. I suspect Farage doesn't even believe it himself. Here's some more info on Kirkegaard, you might like to educate yourself on the company you keep.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Emil_O._W._Kirkegaard

64% of Palestinians didn't commit crime in Denmark.

64% of one politically selected subgroup of Palestinians committed crimes, most of which were lower level.

Do you see the difference now or are you going to stick with the people who are actually pushing this story, Farage and Mr Kirkegaard. Have you read up on him yet? It'll give you pause for thought. Emil O. W. Kirkegaard

Read post #24762 - and now you're back on ignore as I have nether the patience nor the special dolls to handle the obfuscation and twisting what people say.

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The winds of change are blowin, you seem to despise Blighe but if you check the counts https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/06/09/european-election-ireland-south-constituency-results/ - do note that he's comfortably top half of a large field and got more support than candidates for PBP, SF, Labour and SD. All choirboys and girls for immigration policies.

So how does that fit your narrative?

Dolores Cahill finished in the top half of the field last time around.

In fairness to Blighe he got slightly more than twice as many fpvs than her at 3.6%.

This equates to less than 2% of the actual electorate.

I see the persecution complex on here has now reached the level where you are aiming the word "racist" at your own views without me ever having said anything of the sort to you. Anyway — you seem to be hurriedly dragging the goalposts to another part of the pitch here. I'm not talking about how one feels about taking such and such a community of refugees in, I am responding to the point being made as to the justifiability and understandability of the decision of Ukrainians to flee in the first place.

Also, who is saying we "need" refugees? Anyone here making that argument or is this another case of words being shoved into mouths?

Oh I'm sure you follow the daily commentary from our political masters. And several times I've heard it stated that Ireland needs immigration and lots of it, to fill all the low paid jobs that apparently Irish people don't want to do etc etc etc I haven't the time or inclination to search this thread for such sentiment but without doubt it has been expressed here.

Anyways I'm not being persecuted. I'm just laying out in clear terms why many people have a range of reservations about our rapid increase in population.

As regards Ukrainian war refugees, I expect they will return home in time to help rebuild their great nation. What do you think yourself?