Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

If 64% of Irish people committed a crime in the US or Australia then you can bet your arse that's exactly what everyone would say, and you would be right.

Well just as well you weren't running the whole show back then or I guess the many people who did flee the pogroms against Catholics in Belfast to places in the Republic or UK would have been encouraged to f**k off to South Armagh where they were safe. But of course, you will have a nuanced response to that, because as I've seen before on this thread, nuance only applies to migration and refugees when the relevant subjects are Irish.

In any event, this comparison is not a good one. The Northern conflict never broke out into a full scale war involving a full mechanised invasion in the manner which Russia assaulted Ukraine, not to mention the use of artillery bombardment of cities and infrastructure. Open war and actual face-to-face battle was not really a feature of the Troubles. The scale, weaponry and intensity of the war in Ukraine is of an entirely different hue — easy to forget that at one point a passenger jet was even shot out of the sky there.

If the British had have approached the Troubles by using aerial bombardment of civilian areas, and looked to have no qualms about striking further afield in Ireland than simply the North and potentially bombarding places like Dundalk, people would be getting the f**k out of there and it's delusional to think otherwise.

So nothing to do then with economic crisis in say Egypt, or Arab states not wishing to get involved in a regional conflict, you're claiming still that this is because of some racial inferiority on the part of Palestinians.

In fairness to Farage he's really only up to the usual anti-immigrant scaremongering, although sharing the content he did is pretty low even by his standards.

It's yourself, @Vote4Squirrels (going by the thanks and earlier comments) and Mr Kirkagaard, who are pushing the actual inferior race stuff.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Emil_O._W._Kirkegaard

People have made the case we need them to pay for our pensions

It just looks like your trying to get away from using the term inferior while maintaining your existing argument.

What exactly did you mean then when you said..

[There is ] uniformity - right across the board - in their behavior

no matter who takes them in, they end up worse for the experience. Betrayed or beaten

Thats the why i dont want them as refugees. There is a pattern ... and its all Negative

I think it's pretty clear we're talking about all Palestinians here. And your views are clearly claiming this group all exhibit negative behavior, leaving people who take them in 'betrayed or beaten'.

Are you trying to back away from your earlier claims because you see how weak they actually are, or do you just not like the association with the only other person I'm aware of publicly pushing them, Mr Kirkegaard, the far-right extremist and eugenics advocate who advocates raping children while they sleep (this is not hyperbole or exaggeration, this is what he calls for) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Emil_O._W._Kirkegaard

What if they don't want to?

OK but you are conflating two different things here. Yes, lots of people say we need immigration to fill certain labour gaps etc but that's regular old visa migration — I don't think anyone is saying we specifically "need" refugees.

As for Ukrainians going home, it's hard to say. Depending on how the war ends, and when it ends, the places they come from may no longer even be sovereign Ukrainian territory. In time, I suspect many of them will settle here, work here, marry here, bear children here — at which point their descendants are simply Ireland-born citizens who grew up in this country as you did and for whom it is home just as it is your home.

At the end of the day, to paraphrase a nasty song which is sung by a certain group of people about Irish refugees and their descendants — the Famine is over, why haven't they gone home? As I said before, we tend to apply greater nuance to our own people, and foist no expectation on them to return to Ireland where it is safe and focus their energies entirely on this country.

According to this article the reason Egypt won't accept Palestinian refugees is twofold.

1. They don't want to facilitate ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
2. It doesn't want to become part of a regional conflict.

https://theconversation.com/why-egypt-refuses-to-open-its-border-to-palestinians-forcibly-displaced-from-gaza-223735#:~:text=However%2C%20Egypt%2C%20the%20only%20country,to%20accept%20refugees%20from%20Gaza.

I don't see any mention of it being due to some racial inferiority of the Palestinian people. This is your and Mr Kirkegaards position only. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Emil_O._W._Kirkegaard

Though it seems from the 'Thanks' count you guys have some support on this thread, where it seems we're not allowed even mention racism, for fear of lecturing or being condescending!

Lebanon and Jorden took in Palestinian refugees before and it caused problems .A case of biting the hand that feeds you , they are reluctant based on the past .

Did he get in? No. When are the next local/ Eu elections? In 5 years time. Did the government party get a kicking? No. Who is most likely to make up the next government? FG/FF. Your “wind of change” is a fantasy.

And was that to do with some inferiority on the part of the Palestinian people?

Or was it, just maybe, a fairly predictable consequence of the forced migration of huge numbers of people in such a sectarian and conflict ridden region?