Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

The research is there. Just it doesn't suit the present crusade.

"Room for improvement in conventional and organic systems

In conventional systems, a variety of N management methods are also possible, such as no-tillage, low N input and CCs… Studies on no-tillage systems have shown a decrease of NO3 − leaching by a factor of two to four (Angle et al. 1993; Drury et al. 1993). "

I keep being told by an Taisce the cows have to go in the press. Then the government is saying we need more tillage and is throwing money at it. Teagasc is saying farming sectors should not be pitted against one another. The Grain growers at the ploughing match are showing muck and proclaiming they won't take it. An Taisce is then lobbying the EU to drop Ireland's derogation for stocking rate. The EPA is saying there's no change in water quality. We're up in the best of the EU. But the lobbyist's against the cows are saying the derogation should go if we don't improve again. We'd a sample project of grassland in Timoleague under grassland and derogation stocking rates which improved N leaching rates. And we've now an increase in tillage area in the east of the country from the more money thrown at it.

Do you not remember rte blocking a very educated and brilliant speaker the time of the calf fiasco, https://www.farmersjournal.ie/news/dealer/behind-the-scenes-for-primetime-lineup-775245

The media especially rte have a agenda and theyll block/not allow anyone getting a platform that can represent farmers and come accross well

Alice Doyle is a good speaker and knows her stuff

As @Siamsa Sessions said the ability to come up with %'s on the fly is enough to bamboozle the opposition. The dr knows that cannot be true but it doesn't matter if it wins the argument and is disputed later on. The same one recorded footage in Ferrycarrig, Wexford with Duncan Stewart looking stern. And said all the nitrates in the Slaney were from cows. She would have passed by one dairy farm between enniscorthy and Wexford Town. She didn't know the area but it didn't matter it made television.

If her argument was swung around and it was said tillage ground emits 20ml to water and pasture with cows emits 5, 6, 7ml. Would she then say the cows must stay and tillage must go to save the environment?

She would in her behind. The science is saying the above in measuring leachate. But face it she's anti science and a fundamentalist against livestock. That's all. Part of the green party coming in power was a call from members to get the badgers. They got the badgers under protection of the OPW and away from the dept of agriculture. Another was to end the derogation of stocking rate in this country. Which they are working hard on atm through members as the dr and an Taisce.

They need to employ one full time to work with leaders at the top and county chairs

Sold my last few calves today. 300 euro for AA bulls, sold ones like them for 40 euro 2 months ago. That's supply/demand for you....

4 weeks

are they still on milk?

Given the relatively high level of educational attainment among children of farmers (compared to national average - I think it has been the case for at least the past 30 years that children of farmers attended 3rd level on a higher basis than non-farmers .. they used to attribute it to, and complain about, farmer's children's ability to avail of grants despite high asset worth), it shouldn't be difficult to find a speaker who actually has a background in farming too.

Maybe it's just the case that certain places are more or less closed shops……..

Anytime sewage leaks/discharges are on the news ya can be sure there'll be a spokesperson on to say how they went from 28 sites doing that to 16 in the last while. And they have plans to get to 0 by 2030 or something. They have a plan, but money is the big issue. Never ever ever does the interviewer ask or say would that excuse work for a farmer if he failed an inspection and present a plan for 6 years away and blame cash flow as a problem

Pat smith was such a person, only problem was he could out smart the stupid farmers too.

He was gifted and articulate in discussion, Irish times claimed at the time that the only surprise was he was paid so little.

There's an executive secretary on every commitee that has experience and loads of qualifications. They sit in on all the discussions and lobbying. televison interviews achieve nothing.

Construction industry had Tom Parlon front and centre inj the media for years.

IFA would use skillnet courses for their Officers, I attended a few of them.

County Officers wouldn't have the time now to put into IFA unless they had eyes on something further

Ya I would agree with what you and a couple of others have said its very obvious that we need an articulate and smooth talker in the media the enviros line up to take on the farmers lobby cos they know they can out play them in interviews the farmers attempt to keep it too straight and on point with science etc the environmentalist not so much

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Or the smooth silvery fella that she took over from, he mightn't be a good fit after.

Maybe Brendan Ogle...

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Education doesn't cut it. You need to be a b,,,,,,,,,r for that public speaking game, like a politician.