Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

What are you upset about then?

What % of hotels are been used now to house IPA's I wonder? The cost of a little family break away in this country is scandalous and this is a leading factor surely.

Hoover them up and to hell with local needs and tourism

It's obviously not directly stated but it was certainly implied, every mention of how many had come to europe they followed it by saying much more went to countries near to the conflict. In a case of war in any situation refugees should end up in countries closest to them, it's not something to be crowing about.

The UN goes on and on about refugee crisis yet does zero to stop the source of these problems, if they actually cared they'd do far more to stop these wars from happening in the first place and not be asking countries to help a refugee crisis that should not exist in the first place.

Precisely my point .

You think it was implied , I saw no such ' implication ' .

Nobody was ' crowing ' ..they were stating a fact !

It is your bias that generates such a different response to a factual news report .

As to the rest of your post I won't be discussing the rights and wrongs of these wars because it's not the subject of this thread .

How would that information campaign go…

1. Ahmed from Egypt shops on his mobile phone for which country has the highest welfare benefits and lowest chances of deportation
2. He pays 10k to human trafficker who takes his ID off him mid flight.
3. Ahmed then gets put up by the irish taxpayer in luxury country estates served 3 meals a day by hard working staff.

I'd say the less information you give the irish people the better if you want your lunatic agenda to continue.

It's been an interesting few weeks - The last MSM report on the Dublin tent situation, pre the election, was around the 30th of May with nothing reported by any outlet (that I could find) right upto the elections - A total blackout seemed to be at play - Even Saint Olivia managed to get a break (I see she's gone back to just being a volunteer after RTE promoted her to 'Migration expert' for a few days)

The weekly report from the Gov.ie IPAS dept website was due on Wed/Thurs 5/6th of June but the Govt absentmindedly forgot to publish the report (pre elections)

So you wait ages for an IPAS report and then two come along at the same time, typical wha

Poor ol Nigeria have been relegated to third place behind Palestine (occupied territories) and Jordan - I'd imagine it's difficult to distinguish someone actually from Palestine (occupied territories) and someone that claims they are, having lost their documents

This is basically industrial levels of piss taking

Sorry, I can't resist -

'To lose one MEP, Mr. Ryan, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness'

Not sure who Ahmed is but if he\she had 10k already why would they spend that money to come to Ireland.

It would mean they would receive just over €2000 a year in payments. €38.80 X 52 = €2017 if eligable.

This would require 5 years of payback on the 10K investment just to break even and at the same time risk having their application refused at any point during them 5 years.

Also I doubt that if your fictional Ahmed is male he will be put up in anything but a tent not a luxury country estate.

I see the tents are back up this time along Merrion Square.

No one is forced to join the EU or stay, as our neighbours have demonstrated.

Not in so many words no…

I don't think that would be very fair or decent towards all the guys called Ahmed who already live here, work here, whose kids go to school with ours, etc, etc.

In describing the criticisms our current system faces I would certainly include the claims that it is open to abuse by those not genuinely seeking asylum.

I think giving people honest impartial information like this about our existing system and the same for proposed changes and alternatives is the way to go.

I've seen similar claimed by others defending the far-right gains in Europe.

The EU was never meant as a simple trading block.

It could become so, and sadly might, but free trade between nations would have to be pared back to such an extent that we'd loose an awful lot of the economic advantages that currently come with membership.

As the UK found out post-Brexit, a simple trading agreement won't work with the EU as it is.

Let's suppose we turned to having only a trade agreement in the morning. Hypothetically Spain could decide to open it's borders and take in 10 million refugees who could be put to work in sweat shops for 2 euros an hour. Immediately other countries in the EU would be under pressure to put levies on imports from Spain to protect their own workers and industries.

The EU isn't a standard trade agreement. It's a structure based on creating a pretty level playing field between existing states so that they can trade together and with the outside world in a way which wouldn't otherwise be possible.

The problem Lizzy is that the things you refer to as being good about the EU are two of the very things that require the profound nature of the treaties between the EU nations. I'm not sure its an entirely consistent position to take that you think freedom of movement is great but then go on to talk avout "giving away sovereignty" and "dictating on internal matters like immigration". It seems to more so be that you like the upsides of free movement and not the downsides — such as the fact that free movement and the Schengen protocols probably also necessitate a certain level of co-operation and collaboration between the member states on things like non-EU refugee intake to ensure that certain countries aren't just reaping the benefits of it and expecting to others to shoulder the burdens.

I have no problem and I am sure the vast majority of decent Irish people are the same in that they don't mind people coming here to try and better themselves and mainly "CONTRIBUTE" to Irish society and take in what we can sustain as in not putting a huge burden on our healthcare system, public transport system, housing, local amenities, hotels etc etc. The numbers coming in are just unsustainable.

The current system in place where there is thousands of people and I would hazard a guess the vast majority are male, coming in from countries where there is no wars is absolutely mindbogglingly stupid. Why should the tax payer foot the bill for this and make the lives of Irish people and people coming here to work and integrate harder in terms of accessing all of the above I have mentioned already?

They left for very good reason as the Brits had the backbone to tell them that their immigration policy wont be dictated by some unelected bureaucrat in Brussels.

Ask yourself this, since this immigration policy has been brought into law by the E.U is the average Irish persons quality of life any better? Cant get a house, have to wait maybe a week or 2 for a GP appointment, god forbid if you need a dentist, cant holiday in their own country unless paying an extortionate amount for a hotel.