"Green" policies are destroying this country

I know when you precede science with the definite article aka "the science", you are merely expressing an opinion that's based on a consensus position enforced by another group rather than actual science. You have been sold an idea by green marketing that wind and sunshine are free and unbound, details like physics and chemistry limits don't concern you, any more than sourcing materials and costs of building the infrastructure to support this.

All economic choices come about by tradeoffs, the materials required in the timescales set down in legislation concerning net zero do not exist on the market. The current electrical grid was build over a period of 100 years, it cannot be redone in 10 years, nor can the raw materials to harvest wind or solar be processed without coal, gas and oil. By your own definition renewables technology is therefore not sustainable, aside from sourcing rare earth minerals, these cannot function independently of primary energy sources coal, gas and oil.

Everyone born since ~1800 has been adapting to their local climate, how many generations is that? We will continue to adapt to our environment now and in the future with the available resources to us. The track record of people successfully prophesying environmental doom by specific dates has been on par with the people claiming the arrival of the second coming of God.

Back in the 19th century, the Thames in London stunk of sewage, they resolved that problem by building a sewerage system and extended that scheme to their port cities. The technology of the time allowed them to do so. In fact before the rise of motorised transport, everywhere stunk of horse excrement, getting rid of it was a problem. Land for feeding horses has been freed up to build houses and food for humans. Smog disappeared from many major cities due to the rise of natural gas heating. Our lives in Ireland today on practically every metric are better than our ancestors, the post world war II period has seen the world enjoy the greatest rise in living standards in the entire history of humanity.

It's fine to pursue efficiency in use of resources (waste not, want not), don't conflate it with green marketing seeking power and money. We cannot maintain static climate patterns by simply consuming prescribed green labelled products. Climate cycles exist on timelines beyond our individual allotted lifespans on this planet, there is no climate emergency, it's just political virtue signalling.

Rather than calling what I posted nonsense you should post your own sources. Where is Eamonn Ryan saying it's not technically possible?

You won't get many facts around this thread, lots of noise and blaming the Green Party for everything from people without a clue what the policies are of any party in regards to environment

Airlines participate in the ETS and I consider my flights to see family and friends as essential as the food I eat.

…and the considerable airport departure taxes throughout most of europe.

Who the hell do you think you are dictating to others what they can do with regard to living a meaningful life as opposed to a hollow existence.

More nonsense. Have you nothing to say that makes sense or a reasonable argument?

Off you go nobody will stop you I'm sure but don't tell me it is as essential as food! I suggested that an increased tax on aviation fuel is fair and reasonable. If cars and trucks are taxed why should aviation be exempt?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/carbon-taxes-on-jet-fuel-will-increase-air-fares-but-cut-emissions-says-esri-1.4757029

Once again you make an argument against reality. i said that food was more essential that airline flights. An obvious fact.

I also said that aviation should pay carbon tax and excise. Why shouldn't they?

Here is some CSO facts you might not agree with. Are they part of a Green conspiracy too?

• In 2020, consumers of petrol paid an average effective rate of €267 per tonne of carbon dioxide emitted. 
• The average effective carbon rate on autodiesel was €190 per tonne of carbon dioxide in 2020.
• Carbon dioxide emissions from jet kerosene were charged at €0.09 per tonne due to the tax exemption for commercial aviation.
• In 2020, total energy taxes on petrol were 63 cent per litre while total energy taxes on autodiesel were 51 cent per litre. 
• Fossil fuel subsidies were estimated at €2.2 billion in
  2020 compared with €2.8 billion in value in 2019. The decrease was
  mainly due to the reduction in the use of international aviation fuel
  during the COVID-19 pandemic.
• Direct fossil fuel subsidies accounted for 13% of total
  fossil fuel subsidies in 2020 while indirect subsidies arising from
  revenue foregone due to tax abatements accounted for 87%.
• In 2020, €2.8 billion was raised in energy taxes, €0.4
  billion was spent on environmental subsidies related to energy and
  emissions, and fossil fuel subsidies were €2.2 billion.

@saabsaab As I have already pointed out Aviation sector is paying other taxes. You know this but you want them to pay more. You are mendacious.

If you think that cutting yourself off from friends and family is do-able then I challenge you to do it for two years and then tell us how you feel. that might help you to ground yourself and find the empathy that is obviously lacking from your contributions to this topic.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”
― H.L. Mencken, In Defense of Women

Mr. Ryan has to keep the sheep in his flock from breaking away, they were able to leverage Greta Thunberg to gain votes last time out, therefore keep running the old script and dial up the fear. Did not work that well for them, this time out.

Minister for Environment, Climate and Communications Eamon Ryan has said the public are living in "deeply fearful" and "uncertain" times because of the threat of climate change.

Following data showing May was the hottest on record in Ireland, and the hottest globally on record for the 12th consecutive month in a row, the environment minister said it is yet more evidence of the threat posed by climate change.

"We are in in deeply fearful, uncertain, uncharted waters that we have to prepare for," he said. source

If you want to you can go but why should you be sponsored to do this? Fairness would suggest that all sectors pay again I ask why should aviation be an exception? Why?

Not taxed to the extent other transport options are, which makes it unfair. If airlines had to pay the carbon tax per g emitted, at current carbon prices it would add €20ish to a flight to the Canaries

Dial up to 9 GW onshore wind, 8 GWsolar, and at least 7 GW of offshorewind by 2030 (with 2 GW earmarked for
green hydrogen production). From the Government Action plan, fact.

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Not Fair? You mean the 100 euro per tonne of CO2 which gets spent on eco-boondoggles and not for the welfare of living breathing people?

ETS is 70 euro at the moment.

ryanair from dublin to lanzarote is 2784 km great circle. ryanair average co2 per km is 66g. That is .182 of a metric ton which is an over estimate as most of the fuel is burned during takeoff for both long and short flights. You want them to pay 20 euro not just 18.20 carbon tax on top of their participation in the ETS or are you in favour of their withdrawal from ETS…or do you just want them to pay tax upon tax upon tax and happy to demonize them until they do so.

SaabSaab is of the opinion that not oppressing one industry to the same level as others which the Green Party has already managed to oppress is "sponsorship". This is the mindset of the person who will be knocking on your door looking for a first preference for their candidate at the next general election.

I do not work in Aviation.

Why should Government creep in to every facet of peoples' lives. Other elements of life don't span political borders so citizens have already been oppressed by eco-loony activism at national and european level. Aviation has been spared this thanks to the Chicago convention which prevents the taxation of aviation fuel on an international level although technically tax could be levied on internal flights in large countries.

You are an authoritarian rather than liberal/libertarian and like Eamon Ryan you yearn for "one world dictatorship"(his words).

More nonsense and hot air pity we couldn't use it to power a turbine. What I have quoted is Government sources. Again where has Eamon Ryan said that offshore wind isn't technically possible? Answer is he hasn't.

Follow the money, there is a business model behind Greta.