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Eamon Ryan resigns before the General Election.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭bartkingcole




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,052 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    They're going to call it "Road", wait for it, I bet they are going to call it "Road"



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I find the idea that you believe he doesn't have plenty of zoom calls and phone calls pretty funny.

    There is also no rule or law against people flying so the "rules for thee but not for me" argument doesn't even make sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Maybe the Greens should consider taking advice from people who are actually interested in them succeeding, not from those who are out to destroy the party and our planet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Never said he didn't, nor did i suggest there were any rules about flying.

    My point was did he, as leader of the green party and someone who is supposedly worried about the climate really need to travel to china, kenya etc.

    If you are then going support adding carbon taxes etc the optics are not good.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    So if i do not support the greens or ER, i am out to destroy the planet? Ok!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,361 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    should ryan be judged on making the green party popular, or achieving the goals in their manifesto?

    if he does the former but not the latter, has he succeeded or failed?

    anyway, it was clear the GP did well at the previous election during an upswing, so was he responsible for that upswing? and if not, is he responsible for a downswing?

    regarding his international travel, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. if he didn't travel, there'd be howls that he was not representing the country properly.

    if he did sail-rail to a european conference say, there'd be loads of comments that that is a waste of time of a government minister.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,052 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    There is middle ground between zooming around Europe and Zooming in a self imposed lockdown 2.0

    Perfection is often the enemy of the good.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes, clearly he felt he needed to travel to these places. Attending summits and interacting with people is a huge part of how politics works.

    The Greens have never campaigned to abolish travel so there is zero hypocrisy involved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Absolutely, time to take the medicine they've deservied for years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,012 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You could be skating on very thin ice with that last sentence. You're correct insofar as said travel is by foot or bike preferably and after that public transport whether train, bus or boat.

    Generally travel incorporates tourism and take one look at the level of support for the Irish tourism industry from a Green minister. If you were to judge by actions or lack of action, you'd quickly conclude that the Greens are indifferent at best to travel & tourism. Not in their line of vision at all (and I understand that), but why then did they take the brief?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,693 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    We don’t need a “Green party”- we need willing political parties that will implement clever sustainable energy initiatives that support the commitments we’ve signed up to as a country.

    We won’t dodge our commitments by exiting the Greens but personally I’d prefer to see FF and FG take on the role of innovative green energy production - we’re gonna be fcked as a country if we don’t start getting our act together



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,361 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    last GE, FG published a 'we're going to increase biodiversity' manifesto which proudly trumpeted their plan to install beehives in public parks. if that's the level of expertise they're willing to throw at the problem, it just shows contempt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27 DamiensNeck


    Why act like the greens did a good thing going into Government? They were were the only party willing to prop up FFG.

    FFG couldn't form a government unless the Greens propped them up.

    The Greens are enablers of FFG.

    If a party really cares about the environment and you're the only ones who can save it, then why go into a coalition knowing you'll only be in it for 5 years max.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,361 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    If a party really cares about the environment and you're the only ones who can save it, then why go into a coalition knowing you'll only be in it for 5 years max.

    if you think you're the only ones who can save the environment, that's precisely why you'd go into coalition.

    the greens were not going to get anything done by staying out of coalition. it's easy to be a hurler on the ditch, you remain ideologically pure while achieving nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why do industries need 'support'? Isn't the whole ethos of business and capitalism that industries stand on their own feet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭StormForce13


    She was, until the RTE fiasco broke, the Minister responsible for doling out huge wedges of taxpayers' largesse to the Arts and Culture luvvies. Hence she got lots of soft publicity and favourable coverage in the media.

    However, her incompetence and the ongoing series of bad decisions that she has made over RTE suggest to me that she's incapable of running an ice cream van, let alone a Government Department with a ludicrously large remit.

    It would be jaw dropping is she became the Greens' next leader, assuming that by some miracle she managed to retain her seat. However, given that it's the Greens, it wouldn't really surprise me either!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,531 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    It would make no odds.
    They did very bad at the last GE and yet Micheal invited him in with open arms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I don't understand. How did they do badly at the last GE's when it was their best result in history?

    It's the next one they'll do badly at.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,064 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Otto von Bismarck said politics was the art of the possible, the attainable - the art of the next best thing.

    Until the Green Party learn how to compromise it won`t matter who their leader is.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,361 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    You mean the junior partner in a three way coalition hasn't compromised, that they've gotten their way on everything?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,064 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The Green Party were jumping up and down threatening to collapse the government if they didn`t get their way on culling cattle to save the planetwhile Brazil alone was increasing their cattle numbers by over 20 million. They have continually blocked the use of LNG when the CRU and Eirgrid have told Ryan that it is needed for our energy security. Even a report his Dept commissioned has tols him the same and he still refuses to do anytthing about it. He is still pushing a 2050 offshore wind/hydrogen plan that not only can he not give a cost for, he now admits it is not even technically possible within the next 20 years, if ever.

    The greens do not do compromise. The don`t even do logic. Their sole interest is pushing their ideology using climate change to do so while having little or no interest in doing anything practical to reduce carbon emissions. Heralding the burning of 200,000 tons of wood in Killala annually to generate electricity, plus doing the same in Offaly clearly shows that when even green advocacy think tanks have shown wood burning emits the same or more carbon emissions than even coal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The only reason the greens are in government is their ability to compromise, they've been able to effectively see off internal heaves at the same time.

    What you're really arguing is that they are too effective at getting their manifesto implemented as a junior partner whil also being a stable partner, and you happen to disagree with that manifesto.



  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Eamonn seems like a genuine man ,but the problem is that the greens, and other satellite affiliates, have totally underestimated the public all over Europe, stopping a train ,blocking a road ,turning street runs for straight through traffic to no go zones but increasing the traffic jams in ,what we're quiet avenues ,is not going to win the vote,I really think they should they should employ advisors from the real world to tell them how people actually Iive and think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,064 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I would not see a stable government partner being one who threatening to collapse a government if they didn`t get their way on culling cattle when it was obvious to anyone who cared to look that it had nothing to do with reducing global emission, just Irish Green Party`s ideology.

    Their policy on electricity generation alone has now been shown to be a complete clusterfcuk that they cannot even give a cost for, and by their own admission is not even technically possible. Electorate reading an uncosted manifesto very often do not realise what the financial implications are until the rubber begins to hit the road. If the results of the local and E.U. elections are any indication then it seems the electorate now do and they are not in favor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭Tork


    Have you ever paid attention to the other wings of the Green Party? Some of them would close down every filling station in the country and ground the planes if they had their way. Bad and all as Ryan may seem to you, there are people in his party who are far more radical than he is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,278 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    he is one of the greatest advocates of the continued Dublin airport passenger cap.

    Yet he’s also one of the greatest active advocates of immigration into this country. Has championed it, advocated for it and defended and excused it at every opportunity. Yet more people = more severe damage and degradation to our environment…..😏

    So the individual is literally talking out of both sides of that mouth of his…..grim.

    He won’t resign, he should alright but worse might follow…



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,648 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    As the airlines have warned people will be paying hundreds of Euro extra for flights as a direct result of the stupidity with Dublin Airport this winter that Ryan refuses to fix. The airlines will make a mint while they take their aircraft and business elsewhere. Every single one of those passengers will know this is a result of ideological madness getting in the way again and also those who won't be employed or who will lose their jobs at the airport or in airlines.

    The knock on affect on the economy as well.

    Annihilation awaits at the next election for the Green Party. It's not only the airport, that's one of very many issues they have been found to be hopelessly incompetent with.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    How does putting a cap on passengers at Dublin Airport cause a reduction on employment at the airport?

    Surely, if the numbers remain the same as now, then so does employment.



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