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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭Augme


    Have you not been reading the thread? Sure theres barely any war in the Ukraine. It's also a very highly recommended holiday destination by some posters here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    "I see the tent villages are back this time on Merrion Square" 

    Nice and close to government buildings and pitched directly under the Taste of Dublin sign - how apt. That basically is pretty much a taste of Dublin these days and for the future. Only it will actually get a lot worse before they manage to herd them into what remains of our beautiful old country estates. Powerscourt House next perhaps?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    McNamara is a huge loss in the Dáil, I know a lot of Clare people didn't vote for him last week because they wanted him to stay where he was, and he would have certainly topped the poll in the next general election.

    He isn't as anti-immigration at all as certain people who view things in black and white would like, what he has consistently argued for is the asylum application process to be speeded up and for existing regulations around entry to the country to be implemented. Common sense.

    On the issue of immigration, and on various other issues such as the environment and farming, he has performed far, far better than any other politician of his generation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    So some 'citizen journalist' is going around the streets of Dublin secretly recording black people as they go about their business? Which includes helpfully and genuinely trying to give him directions.

    I feel so proud to be Irish right now. Where's me tricolour!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,355 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    A solid third is still not a majority of voters. And that's the best you can do with most for the other grifters eliminated.

    You can't argue the maths.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I love it - maybe finally it's affecting them directly ???

    Though we've already seen they care not about visitors to the country who want to spend money, only who want to take it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Fitzy149


    I'd encourage anyone interested to read up on the facts and come to their own conclusions as to whether the conflicts which came after were due to some undesirable failings inherent in the Palestinian people, as claimed by some here ... "

    Sure, pick any old source to dispute historical facts that everybody already knows anyway. Spin them any way you like, but you cannot deny the Jordanian and Lebanese people their history.

    King Hussein of Jordan gave refuge to the Palestinians - the only country to successfully try to integrate Palestinian refugees - and the Palestinian LO tried to assassinate him and take over the country. They failed. They did however succeed in assassinating his PM, Mr. Wasfi al Tel.

    The Jordanian army finally routed the Palestinian LO (led by yaser arafat and operating out of the Palestinian refugee camps), and sent them packing in January 1971. Read up on Black September - history does not lie.

    The Palestinians next relocated to Lebanon, until then a peaceful country and - what do you know - we have ourselves a 15 year civil war from 1975 - 1990 leading to 150 000 deaths and 1 million fleeing.

    Their trail of destruction included the Damour massacre (Jan,1976) where 582 Maronite Christians were murdered by the PLO. The Palestinians were finally expelled from Lebanon after the battle of Sidon in 1991.

    The Palestinian LO, under yaser arafat, gave their full backing to Saddam Husseins invasion of Kuwait in 1990, much to the dismay of other Arab countries which had - until then - supported the Palestinians.

    You can twist the facts as you see fit but you will not change the made-up minds of all (22) Arab countries who are privy to the facts above and, point blank, refuse to have anything to do with Palestinian refugees. Nobody wants them

    That falls to us in the west. We "are obliged to" take them in

    I don't blame refugees per se for the current fiasco - tents on our streets, tourist and attendant industries decimated, refugees being force dumped on small town Ireland, increased competition for impossible to find accommodation - and the icing on the cake - people like me paying for it all, no i don't blame the refugees for all this - I blame my very own Irish government.

    This is a travesty .. to invite all and sundry here with the offer of accommodation, pocket money and a passport is simply insane. They are flooding the country with every chancer on the planet

    This all has less to do with empathy and more to do with greed and self advancement. If our government had genuine empathy, they would have diplayed it to their own electorate when it was needed. That never happened.

    These refugees (economic and otherwise) - have radically different views on morals, values etc to the local Irish populaces they have been dumped into - with nothing to do all day - the local populace being told to get on with it or the government will set the new Hate Laws on you - well, how has that worked out in other European countries ?

    Meanwhile, we have our government lying, obfuscating, using national media as their champion and spokesperson ..

    Someone has to put a stop to this .. we can't save / feed the whole world



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭star61


    Proud to be Irish ….. get out of it. Aren't all Irish horrible bad stupid people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    TBH that's all we're asking for - a grown up conversation whereby those who are clearly here for nefarious reasons, or those not genuine are turfed out sharpish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Those are not any old sources.

    One is the UN and the other is this guy.

    https://forskning.ruc.dk/en/persons/suneha

    I actually spent some time finding sources which I felt were concise and objective.

    You'll see my sources give accounts of atrocities committed on all sides in the Lebanese civil war, whereas you've selected only those committed by Palestinian groups.

    As a general rule I think it's a good idea to check anything you read on an anonymous forum against reliable sources.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I suppose you missed the bit about the MAJORITY going to countries closest to them in the report , before you dived in off context .



  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭DaithiMa


    The most recent figure published as far as I can see was a year ago. 32% of all hotel beds outside Dublin were occupied by AS\IPAs. In some counties the figure is as high as 50%.

    It's grand though, it's only 'costing some €1bn in lost revenue for non-accommodation tourism.'



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    We will be ruined in a few years - we've multinational money and tourism. Once they go we're fcked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    I think we really need to consider the fact that the number of asylum seeking, homeless men has more than doubled since February. It was 900+ in Feb and now it's over 2,000. Where are we heading? How many thousand on the streets by the end of the year? 5,000? More??



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    And what relevance has that got to Ireland?

    I’m talking about the MAJORITY that are coming to Ireland, the context that we live in and is the subject of this thread



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes indeed , a good politician .

    McNamara, once he decided to run , thought about where else he could attract votes , and he ran a very good campaign .

    But I am not convinced that he is antiimmigration , just talking a good talk about consultation and implementing our laws around process and deportation .

    We all agree with that . Should have been happening all along .

    I would have given him a vote if I was not in Dublin .

    Think about that , Furze ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭chooey


    Definitely. And when I see posts saying that we only have a small number of AS. May now we do but look at how rapidly numbers are increasing at.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The relevance is the post I was replying to . Which was discussing a clip on the news about the worlds refugees and where they end up .

    You took my reply out of context for your response to me .

    Happy to discuss it if you want to admit that .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Admit what?

    I didn’t take anything out of context - I took your points on the refugee crisis and applied them to Ireland? And pointed out that in Ireland’s case we are totally at odds with what is being observed in general?

    I don’t understand what your issue is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Here ..

    You took my comment which talked about the majority of refugees , mainly women and children not travelling too far from their home countries as per the report , and wrongly made the correlation between the men travelling to Ireland saying our "system is broken " .

    My issue with that is that this is the same with all the countries further away from the conflict not just Ireland .

    So as you seem to want to double down on this I will leave it here , no point getting into a circular argument .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    Maybe that’s because Mullooly distanced himself from comments made by his party colleagues during the campaign and insisted that he does not believe Ireland is full. He is also quoted as saying…

    “I support the right of those fleeing conflict and oppression to seek asylum here but feel our present system is not fit for purpose“

    So he he wants the process speeded up, who doesn’t?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,375 ✭✭✭prunudo


    System shouldn't be sped up, it should be radically overhauled. Detention centre's, proper and thorough back ground checks and deportations or further dentention if they don't comply.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    So people aren’t allowed to draw relevant comparisons and distinctions about things that are germane to this thread?

    What I said was an entirely valid point to note, will you ever give over



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,166 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Who ever said anything about a majority?? What I've been reading here and responding to are a range of assertions from the usual suspects that anyone who stood for the elections on anything resembling a 'reservation about immigration' platform - was thrashed and consigned to the dustbin of history in so many words.

    And that is clearly not the case, many such candidates like many others may not have been elected in the final count. But they garnered substantial support and the main parties will have taken note of this significant trend. The winds of change are a blowin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Juran


    EU law in place for free trade between members. Ireland ignore it daily and imposes VRT (a taffif) on cars brought in from the EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Fair play to the groups who directed all the lads to camp beside taste of Dublin/Merrion square. Smart thinking. Accommodate them quick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,605 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I don't expect much, but having two centrist politicians in office will be an improvement on the Greens and Wallace/Daly. It certainly won't make things any worse.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭Augme


    They don't ignore it. There's no charge for importing an EU car.



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