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Russia-Ukraine War (Threadbanned in op)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Putin threatening the west again with talk of nukes. Getting boring now at this stage. Just finish this clown off.

    'Close to the point of no return': Putin issues ominous warning in attack on West

    The "selfishness and hypocrisy of Western countries" has led to a "dangerous turn of events" and we have "come close to a point of no return", Vladimir Putin has said.

    Speaking at a meeting with Russian foreign ministry officials, the Kremlin leader issued the ominous warning as he accused Washington of undermining global security because of its exit from arms pacts.

    He also said the West's theft of Russian assets would "not remain unpunished".

    "Washington has unilaterally withdrawn from various arms control treaties," he said.

    "At the end of the day, the selfishness and hypocrisy of Western countries led to a dangerous turn of events and we have come close to a point of no return.

    "They wanted to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia despite its nuclear arsenals this is what the Western policy is all about. 

    "They either fail to understand the threats they create or simply believe in their impunity and exclusive nature. Both can lead to tragedies."

    In 2019, the US formally withdrew from a key nuclear treaty with Russia.

    The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) was signed by former US president Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in 1987 and banned missiles with ranges between 310-3,400 miles.

    But the US pulled out of it, claiming it undermined its national security interests.

    And then in 2023, Russia suspended its participation in the 2010 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) with the US, which caps the number of strategic nuclear warheads that the US and Russia can deploy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    North Korea continues to help out the Moscow dwarf

    North Korea sends Russia containers that could hold 5 million artillery shells

    North Korea has sent containers to Russia that could hold nearly five million artillery shells, South Korea's defence minister has said.

    Speaking to Bloomberg News, Shin Wosnik said that Seoul had detected at least 10,000 shipping containers on their way to Russia.

    In return, Russia has reportedly sent North Korea technology to helps in its plans to destroy spy satellites as well as conventional arms.

    “Putin is expected to seek closer security cooperation with North Korea, especially military supplies such as artillery shells that are necessary to seize a chance to win,” Shin said.

    Vladimir Putin is expected to visit Pyongyang in the coming days to meet Kim Jong-un. 

    The North Korean leader visited Russia last September where he is believed to have agreed a deal with Mr Putin that saw Moscow receive armaments in return for technological support for North Korea's space programme.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭jmreire


    This is something I couldn't understand either, the sheer Nr of people who voted for him? What has he been doing in his own constituency and for Ireland generally to gather such a following?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭scottser


    Wallace was a committed anti-war campaigner and he aligned himself with the Kieran Allen of the SWP, the IAWM and others during the gulf wars, prior to him entering politics. An anti-war stance is by definition a left-wing stance and where alliances with other anti-war/anti-imperialists could be developed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putis dam busting in Ukraine coming back to haunt him??? I wonder if the Moscow Metro was affected?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭thomil


    I'll take a stab at the satellite part of your question, though I'll of course defer to people with greater experience in that matter. It is of course true that satellites can't look directly into a warehouse to check out the state of a vehicle, read the maintenance log, etc. However, there are several indirect indicators that can be used.

    In the visual spectrum, it would be the state of the ground around those warehouses. Is the area well-kept or overgrown and chaotic? Has any vegetation recently been disturbed by vehicles moving through? The same goes for any soil that might be surrounding the complex in question. This can tell you whether the tanks in question have been taken out for test drives, etc. recently to check their functionality. And of course, there's the state of the warehouses themselves. Are there indications of damaged roof panels or other structural damage?

    On the infrared side, satellites should be able to pick up any residual heat from a tank's engine being run, even inside a building. I can't imagine the likes of the 420th reserve guards tank battalion in upper Yakutia being too fussed about the presence of US satellites overhead, so at least some overpasses would have had to show at least some of that activity. And while the types of high resolution imagery that military satellites capture will hardly ever leave the realms of the military or intelligence community, there are enough commercial earth observation satellites out there that should at least be able to pick up some indication of recent activity.

    These are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. There might be other indicators and of course none of us have any real idea of the capability of modern recon satellites. Once again, I accept that these are only indirect indicators, but they're at least something.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭thomil


    It's now the Moscow subway, "sub" being the key part…

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Stock reply from Ukraine and West .. GO FCK YOURSELF



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Na sorry nothing principled about them. Just typical far left hate everything West shills. Happy to scream about the evils of America or Israel but nothing but either silence or outright support on the evils of China, Russia etc. in their small minded world view, West =Bad Non West = Good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, we love the sponger lifestyle paid for by tax revenues from… <crickets>

    Plus the free military protection.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Just happy neither of them will be contaminating our TV screens any time soon.

    What did they seriously expect Ukraine to do?

    Bend over and take it from Russia?

    This made my day!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Irish politics has never really required you to do anything for anyone. It's often enough to simply be memorable/ recognisable and seen to be sticking it to the elites.

    If Wurzel had neat hair, shaved and wore a suit the chances of him being elected would be slashed. As a wine bar owning, vineyard owning, property developing, brown envelope bothering tax fraud, he'd just look like any other money hungry Irish leach.

    Same with the Healy Rae's and Lowry's… although at least the Healy Raes seem to be in touch with their local constituents and fight for things that bother them, as long as it stands to benefit the Healy Raes too.

    Wallace will be back as a TD if he wants the salary and pension and is bothered to run.



  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭scottser


    That's a really inaccurate description of both of them, and one that just shows your ignorance of left-wing politics. You are factually wrong though, as they were elected on an anti-war platform which in the 2000s was a common-sense position given the blatant rape of Iraq and the later destruction of Syria etc. There were widespread protests here at the use of Shannon and our complicity in civilian deaths and other war crimes by the US military. Over time however, they have been sympathetic to the Iranian autocracy while staying silent on the protests on woment's rights. They fully endorsed China's expansionist plans for Taiwan, and they have doubled down in support of Putin. They have both taken some weird geo-political stance and forgotten about protecting and advocating for the rights and freedoms of the peoples who need them most. So whatever left-wing credentials they both had at the start, they are long gone now and for that, they can both jog on as far as I'm concerned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    There are plenty of anti-war centrists. Plenty of them. Anti-war does not equal left wing. Its a far more nuanced issue than that, and surely being a tax dodger millionaire disqualifies you from membership of the left wing club.

    Yes, he may sing the left wing tune, but he's a complete fraud and a charlatan.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mick-wallace-off-the-hook-after-14m-tax-dodge/26891291.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭scottser


    Sponger lifestyle, eh? I suppose you're a self-made man too? Pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps with help from no-one? No free education, no free healthcare, never got a rent supplement, never used the free roads, parks etc. Had to secure your own rights to organise, free speech, work safely etc.

    'Sponger lifestyle'. Seriously mate, hang that **** up, it's a bad look.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    To echo the other comment here, nope. He uses the "anti-war" schtick as a mask to blame Western and European democracies whilst repeatedly voting in favour of war-mongers like Putin's Russia, as it literally invades the continent he's supposed to represent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭scottser


    I'm fully aware of the nature of the anti-war movement and the broad spread of its base. Wallace was an anti-war campaigner and his activities gave him a demographic to tap into and a voter base outside of his locality for the European elections.

    But I agree, he can go take a flying fk at a rolling donut now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,281 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Stop discussing Wallace, he wasn't reelected so we move on.

    Using the interest on frozen Russian assets to provide $50bn to Ukraine is a fantastic move.

    I wonder did Russia ever consider moving their national funds back to Russia prior to invasion ?

    Also I like the fact that it's only interest.

    Although it seems unlikely now, in a future state of Russia having those assets unfrozen would be a great way for a potential (friendlier) future Russia leader to gain credibility and increase standards of living across the country. It's leverage basically. It's money rightfully belonging to the Russian people, we just want to be sure it won't all end up pumping into their military for more invasions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    if he hadn’t gone down the pro -Russia route he would have sailed back in as an MEP.
    Undoubtedly the rewards for that course of action must have been too tempting.
    Make no mistake those enticements will be dangled in front of our new crop of MEP’s too.

    The question is who will take the soup?
    Very easy to just give an MEP an untraceable bag of cash for spouting talking points
    wasn’t there an AfD politician in Germany who complained about being paid in €500 notes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I wonder what the terms of the various loans being given to Ukraine are?

    The cynic in me sees the US wetting itself at the prospect of coining it in over there in the years to come, whether the Treasury through loan repayments or the usual well-in-with-the-elites private sector companies in the rebuilding process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,281 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Is it not being paid off via the projected interest on the Russian assets ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Fcuk off Putin with your gaslighting and false olive branch bullshit



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭riddles


    looking to buy time to see his mate Trump back in - time to double down put real pressure on him



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That's a piss poor headline. The offer requires Ukraine to withdraw from significant swathes of unoccupied land, including one of their largest cities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    I'm really looking forward to this, but in reverse:

    Moscow must unconditionally surrender. All remaining combatants are to lay down their arms.

    Our current predicament leaves no room for any alternatives.

    Love how it shows the Russians to be the eternal spoofers that they are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Wasn't clear enough. Anti-US pols in Ireland should reckon with, what would happen if US multis pulled up stakes and left. It's the government run as a sponge for US $$$.

    https://archive.is/FweOp

    $100bn might end up in the Future Ireland fund, the bulk of which comes from US spending. Most countries don't run a budget surplus. At least some of the surplus will be squirrelled away for a future rainy day…one hopes.

    But, sure, US bad! NATO bad! Send the money over!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    You are using the argument that because he was an anti-war campaigner then that means he is also a a principled left winger. That is just wrong.

    A left wing stance according to Wikipedia is by definition:

    "Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished through radical means that change the nature of the society they are implemented in."

    The Oxford dictionary writes:

    "the section of a political party or system that advocates greater social and economic equality, and typically favours socially liberal ideas; the socialist or progressive group or section."

    Dictionary.com states:

    "In politics, the word left is applied to people and groups that have liberal views. That generally means they support progressive reforms, especially those seeking greater social and economic equality.

    The term far left is often used to refer to those who are considered to have more extreme, revolutionary views, such as those who espouse communism and socialism. Collectively, people and groups, as well as the positions they hold, are referred to as the Left or the left wing."

    Nothing about anti-war in any of those:

    Also, something to consider

    On the anti-war thing, maybe he was in his life before becoming an MEP but his actions since would strongly contradict that. By way of an example, the war in Ukraine could be over tomorrow if Russia were to go home, has he ever demanded this? His voting record has been in support of Russia's war. They are the country starting wars by invading sovereign nations. If he was to be anti-war then he'd have to be anti Russia also?

    In case you weren't aware of Mick's voting record, it is here:

    Anything else to back up that he is a principled left winger?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    We'll wait and see I guess. Anyway, its a side issue right now. Main thing is funds and hardware being delivered. Keep it flowing.



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