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EU Elections 2024 - Results

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,140 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I think his voters were on automatic pilot for 30 years until it was switched off when two Healy-Raes were on the ballot paper, then he was gone. The best thing he ever did for his constituents was to not get re-elected. 😛



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Eudaimonia


    I’m not one to defend the mass killing of the Gazans if they are deemed to be war crimes but you defend Russia as if it is better than the Israelis.

    Whatever you might argue about the potential micro genocide of a population within a small area such as Gaza the prolonged tortuous and freezing conditions in Russia led to far more sinister and premeditated evil than in Gaza. And in the sub zero temperatures there was far greater suffering than in an environment where freezing to death isn’t possible.

    The suffering in Russia was prolonged over decades. It was a slow tortuous elimination and colonisation of populations. Israel is nowhere near that level yet. You best put on your Torino jersey and jump into bed with Mick. You seem to have a similar lack of morals and jump on the only bandwagon you can to try and stick it to the establishment and elevate yourself above people trying to stop such actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Oh yeah never said otherwise.just look at the healy rea's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    You need to be called out on this, its perfectly reasonable to question why someone putting themselves forward for an important position in Brussels has been a no show at any of the debates and couldn't even be bothered showing up at the count centre.

    Its like giving someone a job without going through the interview process.

    Yes the people voted for her but will she be up to the job?

    As regards Ni Mhurchu at least she took part in one of the debates anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,681 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'd prefer if he made an attempt to pay back some of the money he owes, the silence from Daly on that is deafening because if it was any other property developer she would be screaming for their head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Eudaimonia


    If your post had any relevance to my or the poster I replied to post I would entertain explaining myself. He was referring to Wallace. Neither my post nor the poster I responded to has mentioned anything to do with Carbery. Deflection, gas lighting and straw man all rolled up into one disinforming repsonse by you.

    Edit I see you are replying to a previous post I made re Carbery. In relation to Nina Carbery let’s see what she does, Ni Mhurchu did very little more than her.

    She should be held to the same character assassinations as Carbery. She is a product of the entertainment industry. Why haven’t people been highlighting that fact and focusing the light on Carbery.

    One debate my whole. She’s done very little more than Carbery and relied on the same high profile exposure to be elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    'Micro genocide' - what an appalling reductive narrative to espose, quite typical of Netanyahu and his bunch of butchers. 600 innocent children killed in Ukraine, 14,000 in Gaza. What is happening in Ukraine is appalling but it's nothing on the scale of the barbarism in Gaza, the Israeli's have learned well from their US friend's slaughter in Iraq...



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,220 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Da Kingdom is certainly a law onto itself.

    Still seems to do well for itself though when it comes to public money going in their direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Russia Today is still quite happy to have Chay Bowes on shilling for them - so I still expect Daly and Wallace to be welcome whenever the Russians need a pair of useful idiots to parrot their propaganda



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Eudaimonia


    it’s reductive insofar as the geographic area and population reduction is on a far smaller scale than the evils of Russia since the inception of communism.

    I do not seek to diminish the appalling death going on in Gaza in any way other to say that Russia has done in its history worse on a larger scale. And that people who jump to its defence and condemn western foreign policy are misguided and quite possibly evil.

    But that’s it for you, argue semantics to deflect from the appalling defence of Russia and the disinformation of the Russian imperial project since its inception.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭wassie


    Wallace & Daly loved to talk about their record of attendance at meetings. Of course thats one way to maximise one's entitlement to allowances. Afterall, meetings are just a practical alternative to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭BQQ


    I’d take all the celebrities over Barry Cowan

    His drunk driving was forgotten about with all the far-right candidates

    He’s not fit to represent Ireland in any capacity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    That's nonsense. Of course if they didn't speak or attend meeting is they'd be critiqued. They could have been like a poll topper who signs in and goes home!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I actually agree with you on this tbh. But there's an irony though, you entirely discount the criticisms they're rightfully facing in relation to propaganda on Ukraine et... That's not a legit criticism in your eyes for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭wassie


    They're gone. There's really no need to be defending those charlatans any more….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Yet it's those who critique them can't let go! Highly amusing 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Drink driving is not to be condoned at all but I'm not sure it should disbar you from standing for election. That said this type of activity seems to be more readily forgiven in rural areas than it would be in urban areas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Eudaimonia


    They went for the contrarian anti establishment vote but they went too far. Luckily, and I didn’t see this coming, the people from WexFord and Ireland south hate Dublin and Brussels slightly less than Moscow since it invasion of Ukraine.

    Perhaps the influx of Ukrainian refugees insured that. A short sharp dose of tragedy on their doorsteps stopped them taking the piss out of the Dubs.

    And what a wake up call it was for many of the Nessas and granny’s around the country. Devs ireland looked a lot less attractive when peppered with a dose of foreign displacement.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,064 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Back on topic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Greengrass53




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Everyone thinks that in these elections getting rid of Cowen is the bonus Martin and the Government. Micheal McNamara is another bonus. In the last election Ff and FG got 2 seats in the 4 seater Clare constituency. With McNamara gone and SF struggling will they get all four seats the next time, definitely three I would imagine.

    Aodhan O'Riordan also gives the government a chance of holding one each whether stands or not in the GE.

    Little things matter.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    From 2022 but had interesting points

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/how-clare-daly-and-mick-wallace-became-stars-of-authoritarian-state-media-1.4854028

    It's an example of how Daly and her close political ally Mick Wallace have become staples of state-controlled media in the Russian, Chinese, and Arabic languages since they were elected to the European Parliament, coverage in which they are presented as important international figures who confirm regime positions.
    A 10-month investigation by The Irish Times to track the international footprint of the two MEPs has revealed their outsized profile in the state-controlled media operations of various authoritarian regimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Ultimately it came down to EGO. Loved the association and the controversy. Thought they were important. They weren’t. Two scruffy fcukers is all they are. Good riddance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Field east


    not going down the machine route and keeping the system as it is has the following advantages :-

    (1) Saves on foreign exchange

    (2) no storage costs

    (3) no maintenance costs - during and between elections

    (4) gives employment to locals

    (5) it is a tradition that is ALMOST exclusive to Ireland and creates a ‘bit’ of excitment. And because of its exclusivity I could see it becoming An ELECTION FESTIVAL - think music/cultural/arts/sports/etc, festivals. If so, then we are into more economic activity and a bit of foreign exchange earning. Some geniuses with their thinking caps on may be able to make it happen. No matter what way you look at it, it’s an exciting time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    In the immortal words of young Elsa...'let it go, let it go'....though it's highly amusing reading the haters with their tired clichéd, childish and cowardly abuse...🤣🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    In the immortal words of young Elsa...'let it go, let it go'....though it's highly amusing reading the haters with their tired clichéd, childish and cowardly abuse...🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Apart from anything else, Daly looks like she stinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Yeah imagine critiques of Western Imperialism carried in media hostile to Western Imperialism...shocking, messanger allegedly invalidates the message does it? ....wait until they hear about Mickey Martin welcoming President Xi to Ireland and begging him to resume beef exports, but at least we don't trade with the Saudi Arabia - theocracy. Oh wait! human rights abuses, what human rights abuses? Away with your nonsense..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    You could have just wrote

    “whataboutism” and left it at that

    The far left are not capable of debate that doesn’t instantly fallback to using this technique

    Tho the people’s have spoken now anonymously and voted these clowns out

    But if you want to engage in whataboutery he is one for you

    Whataboutism Daly supporting Assad and Putin for the ten years they bombed the crap out of Syria and killed more Palestinian refugees there than the IDF would ever dream of, the same Palestinians Daly claims to support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭MFPM


    You could have just said 'I agree with you, you're spot on' and left it at that, you didn't disagree with a single point, good lad!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,789 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    A hard woman to live with I'd say.

    Like all Trotskyists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,032 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    These were my first EU elections since I moved back to Ireland, and it seems all you really need to go to Europe is a recognisable name and face. We've elected a former Eurovision presenter, former Rose of Tralee, former head of the GAA, former RTÉ reporter, former jockey/ reality show winner, and a radio "shock jock" almost made it.

    I'm reminded of an Eddie Murphy movie from around 30 years ago called "The Distinguished Gentlemen" where he plays a con artist who win political office solely because he had the same name as a recently-deceased politician - "The name you know."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,530 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What debates was she invited to that she didn't show up for?

    Personal attacks like this say so much more about you than her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I don't think anyone could accuse the Irish of being a sophisticated electorate.

    I do wonder what impact the laws around funding a political party are having on our options. I see more and more fragmentation and political dynasties (like the Healy Rays in Kerry) in our future.

    It is extremely difficult to get elected to Europe outside of the main parties. You'd need a national profile which obviously, the vast majority of us don't have…Ming was never off the air back before he ran.

    That being said, Sinn Fein have enormous resourses and the Green Party didn't do well considering the amount of programs and even adverts on tv address the climate crisis…so what do I know?



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I think it's interesting how the European elections attract "celebrity" candidates when the local or general elections don't. Is it because someone with little or no political experience can enter politics at a high-level, gain the cachet and salary without having to worry about close scrutiny or Mrs O'Donnell endlessly phoning to complain about the pothole at the end of her road?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The size of the constituencies mean that it’s nearly impossible for candidates to get out and build recognition across all regions in a short period of time. Candidates with pre-existing profiles have a huge advantage - hence the attraction of “celebrity” candidates who come with in-built name recognition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Looking at the changes in the European parties I realized something, ID gained 9 seats but they no longer have the German AFD in their party compared to last time.

    So that +9 is a bigger jump than you'd realize, as they've gained 9 new seats and replaced the 9 they lost from the Germans getting kicked out.

    AFD went 9 to 15 on their own this time around and those are included in the independent unaligned group.



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Kiteview


    Based on the figures, for the immediate pre-election and post-election situations, the ID group are back with one less MEP and the NI (Non-inscrits) are back with 5 less MEPs, so the supposed "far right sweeping the board" scenario the media was touting just did not materialise.

    And the current Parliament has gained 15 additional MEPs since the last one (as an additional part of the post-Brexit adjustment of the number of MEPs).



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Kiteview


    You are largely correct and it is a direct consequence of the variant of PR that we use. Were we using one of the various party list PR variants, there would probably be more emphasis on the policies / political (ie ideological) positions of the parties in the elections and much less on issues such as whether person X or Y is a nicer / better person to elect…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭yagan


    Even our celeb meps seem amatuer compared to Alessandra Mussolini who actually took a break from being an MEP for her reality tv career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No, that's not right. Post Brexit (i.e. after the rebalancing of the political groups when UK MEPs withdrew from the Parliament) ID had 76 members and I think still had going into the election. Of those, 9 were German MEPs of the AfD party.

    After the election they have 58 members, a net loss of 18. So, in addition to losing the 9 AfD members, they've lost 9 other members. AfD have 15 members after the election, a gain of 6, but if we aggregate ID and AfD it comes to 73, a net loss of 3 seats.

    The right has nevertheless gained seats, but it's not ID who are the beneficiaries; it's ECR, which has gained 21 seats, largely due to a strong performance by Fratelli d'Italia. They would have done better still, except the Law and Justice Party in Poland lost 7 of its seats.



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