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Incompetent work colleague on higher salary than me

  • 14-06-2024 8:47pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    I have been in my present job seven years and was assigned to train in another person who is supposed to work alongside me.
    He is about ten years older than me. He started about eight months ago and has proven himself to be incredibly unknowledgeable about his work and downright lazy in that time. I posted about it here a few weeks ago but deleted it because I though it gave away too much information. Today I had a startling discovery; I found out he is being paid more than me (25 percent more). I can't say how I found it out, I don't know who is reading this. But I am certain the information is authentic.
    I want to bring it up with my manager because I am fairly p****d to be honest. My problem is I obviously can't tell him how I know he is on a higher salary than me. He might possible deny it anyway.
    He might tell me if I don't like it I can sling my hook. I don't think he will do that though because I have a high enough level of repsonsibilty.
    I am fairly annoyed because I am far more competent than him at the job. He might have more experience than me but I can't see how he can be based on what I have seen so far. I was actually fairly shocked at some of the things he wasn't able to do and that I had to show him how to do.
    He knows next to nothing about what we are doing and doesn't seem to care that he doesn't know. He is supposed to learn a couple of new technologies that we use and I have been teaching him that but he is doing nothing on it in his spare time, he only looks at it while I show him. He was mainly hired for his supposed competence in one particular field of what we do but he doesn't look to me to have much knowledge of it. There isn't enough work in that to keep him going every day in it anyway, he has got to learn the other stuff.
    I don't want to make waves in work, I have kept my head down since I started there and I never asked for anything from my manager. I never asked for a raise. If my manager speaks to him he will know I have grassed on him.
    I feel they are taking the p*** out of me. How can you have a situation where one person is training in another person yet the person who is being trained is on a higher salary than the person who is doing the training?
    Surely it should be the other way around?
    Fair enough if he proved himself to be very quick to learn and became competent in all these things that I am training him on in a short space of time. But that is not the case. He's robbing a living really.
    I know they can't reduce his salary, if they were to pay me more than him I'd have to get a substantial raise.
    I am not saying I would leave, I like the job but this is very disappointing.
    It's my own fault I suppose, I have always ben very timid and undervalued myself.
    But I am worried about broaching the subject of how I know he is getting paid more.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    in my experience you have to find another job opportunity, then be prepared to leave, and have a sit down with your boss and inform your boss that the market is offering a lot more than you are being paid.

    Let your manager talk and see what is said.

    Under no circumstances bring up anybody else or the pay of anyone else. Keep that information to yourself.

    Do not give an ultimatum, instead just float the possibility that with the market being so good that you are considering your options, and highlight that there is a huge gap between your pay and what the market is offering.

    You could even mention that you haven’t pursued raises over the years so you may have dropped well below market rate and an adjustment is overdue.

    Best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    But the entire source of my annoyance is that someone who is a way less good at my job is getting paid more than me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Kalimah


    I don’t think you can say you know he’s being paid more than you. You’ll be told it’s none of your business what he’s being paid, he’s a better negotiator blah blah blah. I’ve been in a similar situation- vastly underpaid and overworked. I was asked to present a business plan to justify a salary increase after I had asked for one. I was strung along for months and then told I was getting nothing. I left - probably was too patient with my employer.
    I’d ask for a salary increase as you feel you’re being underpaid. See what happens- but be prepared to explore other avenues and put the feelers out for better opportunities. Don’t leave it too long or it’ll eat away at you. It’s not worth the stress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    I don't think it's that he is a better negotiator than me; it's just that my manager didn't conduct the interview properly and believed a load of baloney that he told them. He might have told them that he knows how to do the stuff that he can't do.

    There was another person on the interview panel that was supposed to ask the technical questions and I know for a fact that he didn't give a s***e who got the job because he wasn't going to be working with him so it wouldn't affect him if he turned out to be stone useless. Maybe my manager is completely unaware that he doesn't know all the stuff he said he did know and is making no attempt to learn it.

    I will definitely mention it that he is earning more than me. I'd be prepared to leave if it came to that. The only thing is I am working from home and if I got a new job I would probably have to work onsite for the first six months or more. They may not even allow remote working.

    Like I say I'd have no problem with him earning more than me if he came into the job with more ability than me or since he has been in it proved himself to be more competent than me.

    I was going to say to my manager a few weeks ago how he doesn't seem to know much but I didn't want to get him into trouble. Now that I see he is getting paid more than me I will deffo say it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Your salary is your problem to be honest. If you feel undervalued now, then check similar job listings and see what could be on offer for you.

    It's not a good look if you march to your managers office and shout "He gets paid more than me"

    Better to find out why he's paid more, and use that as a bargaining chip.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,749 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I'm going to guess the company you work for is a multinational. Par for the course with these. You will be paid well at the beginning and your increases will not quite be matching inflation but new people hired are in a different market for pay so have to get paid higher to attract them in. I had exactly that and was left with no choice but leave. Even promotion will not bring your pay rate up enough. If you cannot give them an ultimatum, then you have to leave. You are just a number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    I don't object to him simply on the basis "he gets paid more than me", it's that he gets paid more than me but is nowhere near as good as me.

    If I'd found out what he is earning when he started I would have said "OK this guy has obviously more experience and ability than me and I'm sure I will see that over the coming months".

    But I have seen the complete opposite and that is the source of my annoyance.

    If I left I could probably work remote as a contractor and make more money.

    It's a specialised area I work in and not a lot of people do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭babyducklings1


    You should have asked for a raise based on your own knowledge/ skills/ expertise/ competencies etc. Make a case for yourself If you don’t ask you won’t get anything. They’ll just assume you are happy to tick over in your job. Forget about him and his salary this is about you and your worth. Ask for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭65535


    My daughter who now works for a large bank - back in the day was working in a local convenience store/garage - I asked her did she know the 'PLU' / Barcode number for a Cadburys Creme Egg and she rattled it off without a thought - I explained therefore that she knew everything possible about that job and it was time to move on.

    And move on she did - it was just a means to an end which is what your job is - qualify yourself (get more qualifications) and move on when the time is right - you can do it.

    (Creme Eggs don't scan because the foil breaks up the barcode so you have to manually add it in - the fact that she knew it off by heart meant it was time to move on)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    I could go into great detail on ways to ensure you get paid what you deserved, but the crux of the matter is, your salary is not linked to your colleagues. You were content with your salary before you knew what someone else was earning.

    My own opinion, is to focus on yourself, and not others. Do you think you're worth more than you are currently paid to your company? Do you think another company would feel the same way? Then do something about it, and get yourself paid.

    Whatever your colleague is earning, at the end of the day is irrelevant to you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭This is it


    Your salary is your issue, try negotiate a better deal if you're not happy with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This is not about your work colleague. Its about you, only you.

    Companies do not reward loyalty. They don't need to compete for your skillset because you aren't a retention risk. Because you don't move. In fact it makes financial sense to get your services, experience and skillset for as little as they can. Why over pay for them if they don't have to.

    You're angry because this situation has crystallised this for you.

    If it were me I'd start doing interviews for jobs paying more and if you are successful then you have decision to make. If you are not then you know there is no point moving.

    Forget about the colleague.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Perhaps he is getting paid significantly more because he is not there to do your job, but a more senior role when he has got a feel for your job. A higher paid, older more experienced person, been around 8 months and not particularly concerned with getting to grips with the job…. Either there is another plan or he is a social case.

    Either which way unless you have been asked to evaluate him it's none of your business. If you can't argue the merits of a pay increase on anything other than he is paid more than me it probably won't happen. You need to figure out what you want, regardless of the current situation and set about achieving it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    You say he is ten years older than you, so probably negotiated a higher salary on the basis of more years of workplace experience, on his CV, even if you say he is not as competent as you.

    As an aside, I think you should leave.

    Sounds like your current company has some serious problems with GDPR / data breaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Murt2024


    You mentioned you haven’t got a raise in seven years or even asked for a raise, that’s your problem. Wages have gone up substantially in that seven years.

    Ask for a raise or move job. This happens in a lot of companies.

    It’s only a job at the end of the day, if you don’t like it move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ted222


    It’s confirmation that you’re worth more than you’re getting paid. How you react though is your own business.

    You can put the foot down for a raise but you need to have a plan B if it doesn’t work out.

    If you’re not prepared to ask for a raise, that’s fair enough. But you don’t get to be annoyed at what others have negotiated on their own behalf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    I have been given a few raises in the seven years I've been there.

    I don't think he was hired for a more senior role, he can't do my job so there's no chance he'll be able to do a more responsible position.

    It wasn't because of a data breach I found out his salary.

    I will look for another job anyway. If I get one and my manager asks why I'm leaving I will tell him "You are paying this guy more than me so you must think he is better than me so you should have no problem, he'll be able to manage grand".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Leave so, I’m sure finding out someone else salary is a sackable offence

    The problem you have is with yourself and your manger, it has nothing to do with anyone else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,245 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    People with more career experience are typically paid more. It doesn't matter if the individual is not as good as you in a particular facet of work. They may bring other experience you might not even be aware of but the management might be. It's also your responsibility to fight your corner in terms of salary.

    Forget about your colleague, think about yourself and ask for a raise and explain why you deserve it. Saying "x gets paid more than me but I'm better" I don't think is likely to go down well as a strategy. It might but I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Murt2024


    You seem to be taking this very personally. I don’t understand why. You are going to shoot your self in the foot with that attitude and maybe they are better off without you.

    If someone is getting more than you that’s their business, it’s up to you to negotiate a higher salary or move companies.

    Never leave on bad terms anywhere you work, you never know what down the line holds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    We will see how they manage so.

    A lot of employees undervalue their employees. They must be prepared to accept the consequences of that.

    I could definitely earn more money elsewhere. If a nincompoop like the guy I am training can get paid for doing nothing then I definitely can.

    I know that the guy who was there before me left because he wasn't getting paid enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,245 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You say you have worked there for seven years. You need to be careful if you're seriously considering moving on because you feel undervalued not to burn bridges despite how you feel about the management because your next employer will want to follow up on your last position. You'll need a good reference. It would be much harder to justify the previous seven years without one to a perspective employer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭combat14


    if you value the remote work set up that much be careful about rocking any boats till you have an other option properly lined up....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    More likely they couldn't get anyone so had to pay more to get someone less qualified than the OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,974 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Noodle1


    An elderly wise man who was doing contract work for his entire career would always say ….. “your rate is your fault” …. If anyone complained to him about their salary. If you’re not happy with what they are paying you and think you are worth more then you should say it. I agree with the other posters on here, it doesn’t have anything to do with this other guy. No matter how competent he is or isn’t, he negotiated his rate and now he has it so that’s that.

    You have to negotiate your own rate. Sounds like you don’t really believe in yourself and your own worth. If there are better rates out there go for it. If you have another job to go to you will be in a great place to negotiate a new rate in your current role. It’s all a game, you should play along and not burn your bridges on this one. Best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,102 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    how can being enabled with another person’s salary be a sackable offence ? The poster has asserted that it wasn’t a data breach…

    The only way to find that information is if the employee in question tells you, or a manager does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Just because the poster asserted it wasn't a data breach, doesn't mean it wasn't one.

    He seems to have an awful lot of information about his colleague's interview too.

    Someone is talking out of school here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Why is this colleague still being trained by you after eight months in the job? Is training other staff part of your role? If it's not and you were assigned to just this new colleague, how long was that supposed to last? If you are still spending part of your day training him, is that having an impact on your own work/tasks?

    It can be stressful trying to complete your own job if you have somehow become 'responsible' for ensuring your colleague does their job right - surely that's the role of your manager? Workplace stress can also lead to health problems. What would happen if you stopped training / hand holding now, or if you were out sick for weeks due to stress?

    Agree with other posters, check out other opportunities and what your skills, qualifications and experience would pay.

    Post edited by mrslancaster on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    I don't have any information about his interview, I know nothing about it.

    I have often tried to find out what my particular job is paying but I couldn’t because I don't have a defined title and the work is specialised.

    There's no point looking on glassdoor to find it.

    So I had no idea what I should be earning.

    It seems he is on a higher salary than me because he has worked in this particular field for a longer time than me. I'd like to see his CV if that is the case.

    Because his lack of knowledge is staggering for a person with (allegedly) a lot of experience.

    He is getting paid more than me because he has more experience than me. I can't verify that btw. But he has zero experience of the work he is doing in the job and is unwilling/unable to learn it.

    That doesn't make sense to me.

    As regards training him, I'd say I will be training him forever because it's impossible to get him to understand most things.

    Post edited by lukin on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You are not privy to any of management's discussions, so you don't actually know what is going on. As I said before it there could be a different plan or he could be a social case - he is not very good and a friend in senior management, ownership or client is looking out for him. You just don't know and speculating on it and then getting upset about it is going to lead nowhere but you being miserable.

    Now back to you. Is your salary in line with the market rates? Where is your salary in the company's pay scale for your job? Have you had very positive performance reviews? How many promotions have you had with the company and so on. These are the key things that tell you about how much the company values you.

    And by all means test the market to see your worth.

    And if you do decide to leave, don't be petty because you never know when that could come back to haunt you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,665 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Maybe you should ask your new colleague in a subtle way about his negotiation skills.They are obviously lot better than yours so you might pick up some tips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    It seems to be that it works this way; if you apply for a job and you have a lot of experience in that field but know nothing about the particular area that the work requires, you can get paid more than a person who is better than you in the area that the work requires. It doesn't matter that you don't know how to do the job, you are more valuable because of "experience".

    Is that correct?

    I did have a few gaps in my CV when I applied for the job first so that is why I didn't want to risk asking for a high salary. ut that was seven years ago.

    He probably doesn't have gaps in his CV but in the interview when he asked for what he got, my manager was aware that I was on less than that but still gave it to him. They must have known that he wasn't able to do any of what the job requires.

    Or else he fooled them into thinking he does.

    If he was hired to do something unique that I can't do it would might make sense to pay him more but he can't do much of the job .

    Maybe he does know someone on the inside or there is something else going on I don't know about. I know that the company itself is rife with nepotism and cronyism.

    I value the remote working so that limits where and what I can work at when I leave. The other option is remote contracting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    You are taking it a bit personally.

    Why not tell your manager you know you are being underpaid and that you want a raise? It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Don’t be aggressive about it, but there’s no reason to not ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,222 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Salary is not personally identifiable information, or sensitive data.

    Some companies even have full salary transparency. Some workplace have published scales, and a culture where people are open about their grade on the scale.

    In this situation, the other employee may have told. Or they may have left their contract or payslip in a discoverable place.

    It may be a data breach, if the OP, or someone else, breached procedure to get the information. But it's not necessarily one.



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  • Are you sure you're not underpaid and he's on a normal salary. Did you offer a range in the interview process?

    I was on twice a guy a level up then me purely because I knew the going rate. He was naive and didn't negotiate.

    It sounds like he's not incompetent when it comes to playing the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    A few people have remarked that he must be "a skilled negotiator" and that is why he was able to get a high salary. I don't think that was the case because my manage told me himself that he didn't want to give the job to someone young and inexperienced because he knew they would only stay for a year or two and leave. He deliberately gave it to someone older because he knew there was a better chance they would stay. So obviously someone older meant someone with more experience. Hence a higher salary had to be paid. I would say there was little or no competition for the job so they said "we need someone and he is the only one applying for it so we will have to give him what he is asking for".

    When I got the job seven years ago I had only been out of college ten years and I hadn't worked consistently for those ten years. So I didn't ask for a high salary. I also knew little about the stuff I had to do in the job.

    The next salary review is probably off so if I do complain I might be told "OK I see your point, we will give you a raise but you will have to wait until then".

    I will also inform my manager that this guy is not fulfilling expectations and is making no attempt to learn the new skills in the job that I am spending my working hours training him on. I will also tell him that I am not impressed at all with his level of ability. It was said to me by my manager in a previous job and I had to suck it up. I also feel it is my duty to tell my manager he is not getting value for money from this guy.

    I didn't do it before now because I don't want to throw a person under the bus. But now that I know he is earning more than me I will happily do it. If the guy asks me to train him further on anything I will say "look mate, you've been here eight months, you are an experienced person in your field, you should be able to manage by now. If you can't you've no business being here"

    He might report me to my manager but let him, I will tell him the same. When I started in the job I had nobody to mentor me, I had to learn everything by myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Maxface


    Hard to get a 25 percent raise in a job, not unheard of but hard. And that puts you on a par with him, you'd ideally want to be ahead with what you are saying and with his potential for raises. So, maybe 35-40 percent raise is needed to ensure that you aren't in the same position next year if you happen to see he got another raise. Knowing the business, do you reckon this is possible?

    'I will also inform my manager that this guy is not fulfilling expectations and is making no attempt to learn the new skills in the job that I am spending my working hours training him on.' Maybe leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Too much focusing on your colleague. Your salary is between you and your management.

    His salary is between him and your management. If he's not pulling his weight that's an issue that should be brought up if it wasn't before no matter what the salary is. I wouldn't be covering for him. If you haven't brought this up before it looks like your only doing it for revenge. That wouldn't shower you in any glory either.

    Forget about his salary. You now know that management pay more for a job equal or lower than yours. If your negotiation skills only equal to "he's on more so I want more" then I can see why you're on the lower wages.

    If it was me, I'd be checking to see what other companies are paying and either applying to those jobs or using that as my negotiation tactic. If they don't value you they won't move much and then your next step is up to you. They may be stuck in only being able to give certain percentages as pay rises (large companies sometimes put you in a band and to move out of it you have to change role). If that's the case you and your manager need to come up with a plan to resolve that. Pointing at your colleague and saying "but he's on more" won't do the trick.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It is just a job, you are not there to be popular, not there to look out for your managers interests, not even the company's interests. So don't gossip about other people's salaries, don't offer opinions of other peoples performance or what you think management is doing wrong. Because the chances are they are not interested in hearing from you!

    As I said before, you need to figure out what is important to you and concentrate on that. If remote working is fundamental to you and it is difficult to get in your situation then don't let your emotions talk you out of a job, out of pay increase, a bonus or whatever else might be on the table down the line. On the other hand if you don't care then go for it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Most don't, from the information provided the OP is not supposed to have someone else salary and if they got it then it wasn't provided correctly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    No point blaming the new guy, he didn't do anything to ya, it lies somewhere between your company stiffing you and you selling yourself short. You're also not going to get that kind of raise from your current job at this stage.

    Your only real option is to put yourself on the market and see what you can really earn elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    They also haven't told how they got the information so reading between lines it is dodgy, so yes some companies would see that as sackable as you are getting personal information about other employees

    In this case the OP went looking for the information as well, it was not provided by mistake



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Based on the OP last post, it seems they were gossiping about the new hire's salary:

    A few people have remarked that he must be "a skilled negotiator" and that is why he was able to get a high salary. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭csirl


    Steer away from dishing him. As someone said on this thread, he may be there due to connections. The most incompetent overpaid person I ever worked with was a friend of a couple of Board members. Anyone who complained got nowhere and disadvantaged themselves going forward. Concentrate on establishing your own worth to justify an increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Quigs Snr


    OP, your colleague is not the problem you are. If you are good at your job and care about your job that’s great. But it means that you are likely to suffer the same fate as everyone who cares about their job. Which is that you will end up in the same situation anywhere you go because the reality is that what you describe is more common than not. Everywhere. Everywhere you go you will end up carrying people around who are not fit to lace your boots. I bet your incompetent colleague sleeps well at night. Maybe it’s time to be more like him in some ways. Talk yourself up, be your own biggest supporter, get the best deal for you and don’t care too much about others because that hurts you and not them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭dennyk


    You've been there seven years; what you're experiencing is called "wage compression". Basically, internal compensation increases usually don't keep up with the broader market, so long-tenured employees end up making the same (or often even less, as in your case) as new hires, simply because the salary that has to be offered to get those new hires to accept the role has increased much more than the pay rises given to long-term employees over the years.

    Now, the problem is that it's usually very hard to convince your current employer that they need to give you a significant pay bump up to market rate. When they're hiring a new employee, they simply have no choice but to offer a competitive salary, as otherwise they're not going to be able to fill the position at all. As a current employee, however, you're already working for them for your current rate of pay, so there is a lot less incentive for them to give you a large pay rise just for continuing to do your current job when they can just gamble on loyalty or fear of change or just plain inertia to keep you around instead. Unless you actually come to them with a better offer in hand, the chances of your getting an increase to the level of your new colleague are unfortunately quite low; usually the only way to get a pay rise to market value is going to be to look for a new job elsewhere.

    If you do manage to secure a better offer, it's possible your current employer would consider matching it at that stage, as that changes their calculations quite a bit when your leaving has suddenly become a strong probability rather than just an unlikely hypothetical. There's a chance you will be branded as a "flight risk" and "disloyal" if you were to accept a counter-offer, however, which could have a negative effect on your future career with your current employer, so you'd want to consider any such offer very carefully. It can often be better to go with the new offer instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    While that would rightly annoy anybody in your situation, it is absolutely irrelevant as to how you go about sorting out your own salary to bring it in line with expectations.

    It is good news that you’ve found out that your employer is willing to pay more for your job.

    Now if you want to cash in on that information the best way to do that is as I’d described previously.

    As another piece of advice, particularly when working in small specialised technical teams, it’s critical that you have a clearly defined job description to enable you to be properly assessed for your performance review. If part of your time is taken up by training a colleague, then how you perform at that training should be part of your performance review. So it would be very valuable to you in your pay review to have a professional looking training programme developed and documented with training records included. If you are not doing this then you are not valuing your training/mentoring and how can it be properly assessed then? It would also give your colleague a kick up the arse to learn stuff because you can point to the training record if the colleague comes back to you that they forgot the stuff you already trained them in.

    Also, if you are good at aspects of your job, and particularly if nobody else is good at it, you should be putting that down in your performance review that you are the Subject Matter Expert (SME) on anything you are good at that nobody else is good at and give yourself the credit. If you have multiple areas where you are excelling then the more the better.

    For your own information, multinationals often have pay scales based on specific criteria and within those scales there will be bands of pay. You can absolutely request from your manager to have the pay scales and bands explained to you. For example, holding a Masters might jump you up a scale, having 10 years experience in the industry likewise, having a role where you mentor another colleague, being an SME, having certificates for anything relevant to your role. All of these things can be used to push you up the pay scale or up the bands within the pay scales.

    Where you are in the pay scale and what band you are is what determines how your raise is calculated, usually it’s a percentage of your base salary, so the larger your salary the larger the raise and it compounds up each year. This means if you start on a low salary the gap enlarges every year from where you should be, even if you score the same on your performance review.

    This means at least every now and then you are absolutely entitled to approach your manager and query your rate if it is not at the expected market rate, particularly if you are consistently achieving your targets and getting a good performance review each year.

    A good manager should be able to work with you to get you pushed up the pay scale or at least give you tasks to do to get yourself up the pay scale such as doing courses.

    At the end of the day, the reality is that you have a better chance of getting the market rate if you move company, or at least if you can get a job offer you then can say to your boss that an opportunity has come up that you are interested in and unless the current employer can match the offer you will be mad not to take it. At least it could be used to bargain for a significant increase.

    Best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭lukin


    A few people have said the reason for my dissatisfaction is "he's getting more so I want more".

    That is simply not correct. It's that he's getting more and isn't able to do the job and is making little or no attempt to learn how to do it.

    If when he started he immediately got stuck into things and became very proficient at everything and I'd seen his salary I'd say to myself "Jeez this guy is a real whizz, I can see why he is getting paid more. He will probably become better than me in a couple of years time". I can assure you that day will never come.

    Another person said "he didn't do anything to me". Well that isn't correct either. On a couple of occasions I have had to do his tasks for him because he couldn't do them (very simple things) and afterwards when I showed him how to do it he showed no interest and was laughing and joking at another person's desk a few minutes later.

    I have also had to show him a couple of times how to do things that he didn't remember or couldn't be bothered to take notes on it.

    I know that people robbing a living is quite common, there are a few people in other departments where I work that are on massive salaries and do shag all and probably know shag all.

    It's his incompetence that annoys me. If he was on a lower salary I'd be OK about it, I'd say "what do you expect?"

    But he needs to be brought to book over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Aurelian


    This just sounds like work 101 to me. The other guy is useless and I should be making more than them. Its a tale as old as time.



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