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Eamon Ryan resigns before the General Election.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,648 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If you're a Green eggplant that might be how you imagined economics work.

    The reality is airlines will not grow at Dublin. They will grow at Belfast and Manchester instead. Our rivals taking our dinner that we are giving them. They can't control their laughter at our stupidity. They are DELIGHTED. That will mean Job losses and higher fares in Dublin and permanently lost routes. Right now we are turning away routes.

    Airlines will not remain in an airport they can't grow at. That means job losses and higher fares. That's inevitable.

    You might be happy flying to Manchester to get a route. I don't think Irish passengers should accept that. For what? Climate? While we fcuk ourselves others are drooling at what we are throwing away to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭Augme


    If how you imagine economics works is by corporations walking away from guaranteed profit you might want to think again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The greens haven't collapsed recent governments even when there was overwhelming pressure to do so (remembering back to the last days of Cowen when they were trying to get dog breeding legislation through while the country went bankrupt).

    I don't agree with many of their policies, the airport cap is dumb, they are all stick, no carrot, their energy policy is, scientifically, a mess (never looking at SMR, having a LNG depot, continuing to burn very dirty fuel rather than accept a path way through other, cleaner, fossil fuels).

    Disagreeing with their policies is not the same as them being effective in government however.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,645 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How about keeping the cap to grow employment in Cork and Shannon.

    Oh no can't do that because the snowflakes on Dublin can't take the horrible inhumanity of having to cross country to an airport.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    And where is McHugh today?

    Failed in the 2 elections she tried.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    But why use the Healy-rays as the alternative? I’m glad the greens are being annihilated but that certainly does NOT mean I would prefer ‘a truckload of HR’s’



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That would be like the really stupid shannon stopover again.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Hmm, but economics does not work the way you think either! Growth comes at a cost in infrastructure, services, the environment and so on. Dublin is an expensive place to have to do this, so the last thing the taxpayer needs is to have to invest more in Dublin at the expense of the rest of the country. The more we push out of the Dublin at this stage the better it is for the cost of living in Dublin, the cost of infrastructure, the environment, the infrastructure and economic well being of the rest of the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You did notice how they haven't actually collapsed the government, and have kept it going, right? Could you give any specific quotes from where they were 'threatening to collapse the government' please?

    Could you give any specific quotes from where they were trying to 'close down every filling station in the country and ground the planes' please?

    Do you actually believe what the airlines are saying? I've got a bridge to sell you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    And also prepared to fly 14 hours just to cast a vote?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Well said Kermit. Also, I believe Emirates are chomping at the bit to do another Dubai/Dublin/Dubai daily. Also there has been talk ( albeit early stages ) of building a third terminal, which yes would increase numbers but also incoming money to line the government coffers.

    But bah, just do our tiny little bit while the superpowers ( China, India etc ) grow and expand exponentially

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  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭csirl


    He's the Minister for Transport and leader of the Green Party. You would think he"d be an advocate for sustainable public transporr. Yet the States flagship project - Dublin Metro hasnt progressed under his tenure. In fact its been scaled back from Swords to Sandyford to Swords to the city centre. Furthermore, they're not even planning further routes - so it looks liike Ryan has abandoned the States plans for a proper underground network. As for the other originally planned projects like Dart connects etc - they are now pipedreams which are less likely to be delivered than when Ryan came to power.

    The tourism and sport parts of his Department were removed to allow him less responsibities to concentrate on the public transport projects. With a financial surplus, there are no excuses for a lack of progress.

    Judge people by what they do or deliver, not what they say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,645 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Transport has been absolutely transformed over the last few years. He isn't to get credit for all of it in the same way he is not to blame for all of it.

    Metro delay is not his fault and neither is the constant NIMBY crying over Busconnects.

    But there has been frequency and capacity increases all over the country and local and rural link have put 100s of routes in places never had them before. Leap card and card payment also expanded to the now more accessible national bus/coach fleet. Loads of stations finally getting upgrades including marquee stations like Limerick, Galway and Waterford.

    And it is 1000% correct that sport and tourism should be split from transport. Transport is one of the most important things in the country and has nothing to do with the other 2. Tourism is also a huge industry that deserves more respect than being lumped in with other stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    He's done loads for public transport.

    The backlog in ABP is what's slowing things down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,531 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    You understand it with what they have done surely?
    Micheal should never have brought them in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭csirl


    ABP are not responsible for the halving of the length of the metro or the shelving of further metro or rail projects.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    It was residents of Ranelagh which scuppered the Metro south plans unfortunately.

    I think they'll revisit it though in future.

    I think they just wanted to get the project through and took the hit.

    Ideally the Metrolink should go from Sandyford to Donabate.

    ABP is slowing though most things. DART+ is a good project but has been stuck there for 2 years plus I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    lng is hugely expensive so of course they are staying away from it, rightly so.

    as for SMRS, ireland has better things to spend money on then investing money in an experimental technology that hasn't been developed successfully to a commercially viable level.

    SMRS which can operate at a commercially viable level successfully have been just around the corner for years if not decades and yet they are no further along now then they were.

    our energy policy is correct, use foscel fuels while we can and use the cheap ones, with a move to renewables and other sustainable technologies.

    the only wrong thing was stopping the pete milling which means now we import and road haul hundreds of thousands of tunnes of the stuff shipped from germany whereas before we rail hauled it from the bogs to the power stations, done for the right reasons in that we have to rewet bogs but was unviable to be implemented at this time.

    but yes, absolutely correct to stay away from the likes of LNG and indiginous nuclear especially SMR.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Ah sure if we had elected Peter Casey, that problem would have been off the table ( he wanted to abolish ABP )🙄🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    The next decade will be transformative in terms of our energy.

    Solar is really only taking off now and offshore wind is just about too. EVs are about to become affordable soon also.

    Storage will be the next problem to solve but so much research being done in this area, the hope is that in 10 years we can store a decent amount.

    I think our electricity production could easily be net zero in 20 years time with the interconnectors.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I may be getting on a bit but I do recall Pauline O`Reilly chair of the Green Party, Seanad member and Green Party spokesperson for Education and Higher Education saying on RTE radio that she favoured the greens collapsing the government if they didn`t get their way on culling cattle. A idological policy of the Irish Greens that would not matter one iota to global emissions.

    Not that it did them any good in the recent local and E.U. elections and O`Reilly in particular. Her first preference vote was just 18 votes higher than the headcase John Waters and over 7,000 votes lower in another headcase Peter Casey. That is just embarassing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    Ryan like the rest of his party members are hypocrites and come the next general election will be voted out, they did the job that FF and FG wanted in the last election, they know they are now toxic to work with, so expect those 2 parties to form a government with some other foolish lot….



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That doesn`t mean they didn`t threaten do bring down this government. I believe some voted for the Green Party last GE thinking they were getting the previous Green Party that was in government. The opinion polls, and borne out by the recent local and E.U. elections, tend to show they weren`t long in seeing them otherwise.

    I agree on the airport cap it`s dumb, and that they are all stick and no carrot, (while excise duty and taxes were reduced to aid households with rising bills due to Putin`s war, the greens still insisted on carbon taxes not being deferred) but their energy policy is more than just a scientific mess.

    What they are proposing with this 37GW offshore plan is a financial albatross for the State. Not a figure in sight from them but from U.K. costings it would cost for just the offshore turbine capex alone €200 Billion and now Eamon Ryan has admitted that 25% of those turbines are not even technically possible. So there is no way that proposed plan will have us having carbon zero emissions by 2050, along with the penalties that will bring, it will not supply the demand eirgrid are predicting we will have by 2050. This from a prty that is supposedly so concerned over carbon emissions. But then their latest brainfart shows that they could care less about emissions. Importing wood from Brazil to be burned to generate electricity in a former peat burning plant in Offaly, and now 200,000 ton a year to be burned for the same in Killala in Mayo after being shipped to Killybegs in Donegal and then transported by road to Killala all on the pretence that the whole operation is carbon neutral where even their own green think tanks like Ember and the NSDC (Natural Resource Defence Council) have shown it to be worse than burning coal, the dirtiest of all fossil fuels. Culling cattle over methane emissions was nothing other than Irish Green Party ideology and would not reduce global emissions by one iota.

    Each to their own, but I would not see any of that as an indication of them being effective in government



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The airport cap is set by Fingal CC. So not a decision for ER.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Carbon tax would be increased no matter who is in power - EU emissions targets mean carbon tax will continue to go up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 740 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    The Greens have the advantage of not "really" being a party, rather a movement. They could lose every councillor and TD but come back in 10 years, as their base goes nowhere.

    SD and Labour (who were absolutely stupid in 2011) know that a wipeout, like that, ends them. There is no coming back

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,534 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Absolutely nothing has been "shelved". DART+ is continuing and making progress and there have never been any other metro plans. They will move onto the next metro project when they are done with this one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If you listen to what SHE ACTUALLY said, she completely refused to talk about collapsing the government or walking away. The extent of what she said was that a low % on emissions reduction, less than half the % that was previously agreed was 'not acceptable'. That's what she said.

    JFC, are people too busy trying to stir up attacks that they won't actually listen to a two minute clip and stick to the facts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    LOL. Did you actually listen to it yourself.

    Pauline while doing the usual with politicians of not answering the question she was asked, still managed to make it clear that she was in favour of walking over an issue that would not make a blind bit of difference to the green party`s supposedly worries on emissions, but rather being nothing other than irish green ideology, or their bias against agriculture, pick whichever you wish.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yes, I did listen to it - what she said was 'all options are on the table' and she explicitly declined (not avoided) to answer about withdrawing from government, stating that 'that wouldn't be helpful'.

    She didn't say what you're attacking her for saying.

    Have you not got enough things that she actually did say that you can attack her for?



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