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Daily pv production

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Not at all, the house is poorly insulated, I don't even have cavity walls. So there is very little I could do apart from decent attic insulation and a new front door (I can't afford new windows, an air to water heat pump system or external wall insulation). It was cheaply built in early 2000. A typical corners cut cheap starter home.

    I do have PV panels everywhere though and a very large home battery. The reason my bill is so good is that I can charge up my home battery with 5c / kWh and immediately sell back to the grid for 25c / kWh. All the other electricity I use (for my cars and for the house) is also bought at this super cheap rate and all my PV is exported to the grid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭curioustony


    This strategy is all about the battery. Even without the ability to dump battery to the grid, and a large PV array, getting above 90% at the cheap rate is doable. Using the standard load profile, and an annual usage of 4200 kWh

    No battery is 10.7% cheap rate. 10.9kWh with scheduled charging gets to 79.7%, and 21.8 gets to 96.7% cheap electricity

    Not zero, but if you are prepared to gamble on the longevity of big differentials in time of use prices, this obviously works.

    Add the other bits, and you are going to be able to shift strategy based on the prevailing market. @unkel is dreaming of flexible tariffs.

    Wish I had the cash to follow suit, or the guts to go diy on the battery.

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    @curioustony - have a look at the DIY battery build thread on this forum. People with 2 left hands have built batteries because of it and with the help from forum members!

    And yes, flexible tariffs would make me serious money, I am all setup for it already. Sure I am dreaming of them, but they are an inevitability, have been there for years in other markets. Ireland is a good bit behind, as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭curioustony


    Cracking day to start June off on the right track

    @unkel I do follow those DIY battery threads here. Definitely easier now than it was 2 years ago. But it gets a bit more complicated with an existing install, that I'm very happy with.

    I reckon a DIY battery with A2A HP would put a big dent in my kerosene spend, but that could not be grid tied. Unless I swapped out...

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You'd want it grid tied. I see that you have a 10.9kWh battery in your sig, you probably invested heavily into it. Wouldn't make a lot of financial sense to sell that now at a big loss and then build your own battery.

    You don't have a lot of panels though, I presume a detached home in Roscommon? I would concentrate on getting more panels first, presuming you have a smart meter and get paid for exporting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭curioustony


    @unkel exactly. Anything extra I add in summer would go straight to FIT, and in winter simply reduce my bill. Repayment is related directly to FIT.

    The is space there to nearly double what I have, and the inverter can take it. But until I need to increase my electricity consumption, I cannot justify it. Maybe when an EV replaces the diesel that owes me nothing and keeps plodding along

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Bakka


    1067 kwh for May. Here's hoping June is better. 9.1 kw ground mount system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You don't get extra panels for self use. Or for diverting to your hot water, or for charging your EVs. You get them purely for the feed in tariff!

    To give you an example. A 400W panel at trade prices costs €40 + VAT. In Ireland, facing south, it makes €100 per year in FIT. Obviously there are the costs of installing it. But you get the idea about pay back time, it is insanely good in Ireland. Get those extra panels ASAP 😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    June off to a cracking start. Sunny south east living up to it's name today.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Great start to June.

    ☀️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Where are you getting 400w panels for 40 quid?

    ☀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Trade price from one of the biggest Irish wholesalers



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    It's incredible how much they've dropped in price.

    ☀️



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    It is the clearance section, but plenty of availability



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    As Tony Seba predicted a few years ago (and of course he would turn out to be right again), solar panels are now cheaper for use as structural building material than plywood. Think using it for fences, to build sheds, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Eleusis


    Its a viable option to clad your house in solar panels instead of wood or composite. I have a mate who has just done this and it's works well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,825 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Nice one. Any pics?

    If I had land and I had to put up a boundary wall, I would most likely use solar panels as fencing panels too.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    And it's waterproof, well quite resistant 😂

    Plywood isn't.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    A great start to June

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    They must be monitoring this site, the price went up €12 + Vat overnight 👎🏻

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Third day in a row in the 60's

    ☀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Largely cloudy but a few rays of sunshine after 3pm really saved the day.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    5 days in

    Ok so install took place Thursday, no issues other than a bit of wind and rain while the guys were on the roof, I’m pleased with the install and the guys were great very neat and tidy and left no trace that they had been here.

    Output has been 38Kw, 33Kw, 29Kw, 28Kw and around 29Kw today.

    I’m still finding my way round the Solis APP and cloud and hope to start integrating into Home Assistant in the next while.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    Looking good, very similar to my numbers. 42 39 26.8 17 33.1 kWh today.

    ☀️ 7.8kWp ⚡3.6kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Yeah, what really suprises me (suppose never really gave it much thought) but is how much difference the fluffy white things in the sky make and how quickly output can go from many Kw to a few hundred watts in a split second.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Slightly off topic, but just looking at my most upto date HDF file from ESBN and daily average usage has dropped to 1.74Kw which is mostly the charging of the batteries during the TOU window.

    Question, should I switch the TOU off for the summer and only start using once daylight hours start reducing, or am I looking at it the wrong way and best practice is to keep batteries at or near 100% SOC?

    Thanks

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    TOU = ?

    Little bit off the Daily PV production theme, but the answer to your question depends on a number of factors. If your night rate is significantly cheaper than your FIT rate, you want to be charging your batteries from <whatever % they are at → 100% every night). The logic is that your FIT rate will generate a higher rate if you export it than filling your battery.

    E.g. some people on here have a €0.07 (or something night time rate), so they fill their batteries to 100% and then export everything they generate during the day getting €0.24 for that

    If your night rate is close to your FIT rate, accounting for losses of 10%-20%…..it's a different strategy, so you need to figure out your numbers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Sorry, yeah what I meant was should I switch off the charging of the batteries during the EV window (2-6 @0.07 cent) and just let the batteries charge from the panels during day, or should I charge them up to 100% then come 11pm if they are charged past 20% ie say 80% which they have been since the system went live, should I then discharge them back to grid or will this reduce the life span of the batteries (charge cycles) so any gain in FIT is lost because of the cost of replacing batteries?

    Thanks

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    In a similar boat here with new install, but I won’t be considering battery replacement cost as a factor - they’ll be cheap as chips by the time they need replacement.

    That said, I’ve turned overnight charging down to a trickle for the summer months. Solar starts generating just after 4:30am, only need 30-40% in battery once the house gets going around 7/7:30, and have the battery filling up all morning then after we’ve started work/left for school. Mind you, still waiting for FiT to be set up by esbn so trying to maximise consumption just now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    It's a good question, but the idea is sort of flawed. Battery is there to be used. it's akin to buying a new car and then not wanting to use it as you'll increase the mileage and reduce the resale value.

    Batteries have typically a cycle range of 6000 cycles. Going 1 cycle a day, that's ~16 years until it get to it "expected life". I should also note that expected life doesn't mean that the battery is dead. No, usually it means that at 6000 cycles it'll store about 70%-80% of it's original capacity and will slowly continue to deteriorate further.

    I've just broken 1050 cycles myself on my own battery and haven't noticed any drop off in performance.

    Battery is there to be used (so that it can pay back itself), so use it…..and use it hard! :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Ha ha yeap indeed same here, BER guy was only out yesterday, and switch to Energia is still not confirmed and yes agree with you about the cost of storage going forward.

    I suppose what I'd really like to know is if there is any point charging and discharging batteries to make extra money from FIT?

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Ah I see its all beginning to make sense, so what I really need to do is to set a discharge time of say 10pm to 2am. Would that be sufficient time to discharge from the average left in batteries so far of 80% (10.6K batt) or would I need to up the discharge current currently set at 50A, so get me to the 20% SOC?

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    should be okay, 50 amps at 50V (DC) should offload at about 2.5kW so four hours would drain your 10kWh battery if allowed (presets won’t allow it in reality).

    That said, if you’re confident in those numbers (at least during summer), it might be better for our grid to let a few kWh go during peak demand 5-7pm instead. Solar will probably add more back into the battery before dusk anyway. In due course, I expect we’ll be paid handsomely for this a la Octopus in the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Another 33Kw today, lot of cloud around, more questions for the experts, if the inverter is rated at 5Kw and the load and batteries are satisfied, what happens to any output above 5Kw?

    Also why is it the load appears to flat line at certain times of the day (mainly when load is small), I've asked the installers to check it out, could it be something to do with the sensitivity of the CT, or even its position?

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    What happens to the power above 5kW, its simply not generated. its not like wind or hydro where there is dump loads etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    24.9kWh today. Great to see solid generation on what was/is a largely cloudy day.

    June has been heads and shoulders above May so far with 223kWh generated in the 7 days to date.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    It's funny isn't it, I'm only up the road from you and I'm about on par with May so far. June started off well but has really tailed off the last few days in East Cork. Tomorrow looks better though.

    ☀️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    On 200kw for first 7 days of May on 6.5kw system. Definitely decision to put 6 panels East rather than West been off so far. Feels like its generally gotten lot sunnier in evenings than morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Happy days :)

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Tomorrow could be epic for Dublin area anyway - if Met Eireann's solar forecast is accurate. Seeing in about my all time high level. Long day middle of June, lots of sun

    Here's hoping…… Last time they forecasted into the 40's kWh for me it fell well short of the mark (above)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Eleusis


    Pretty sure that app is wrong or else wrong location. Dont think we are getting 27 degrees all day tmoro anywhere in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yeah, something well off there with Windows. Although it says "Dublin", if you go to www.met.ie forecast for tomorrow is supposed to be 14-15c https://www.met.ie/forecasts/Dublin no way is it 27C. No chance.

    Sunny though - so that's the main thing. The lower temps actually work in our panel efficency favour too, so yeah…..



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Ive had a body warmer (or gillet if you want to be fancy 😂) all week.

    House even has been calling for heat too. That north wind is cold for June.

    Bonus, far less chance for flystrike in sheep!

    Tomorrow looking decent-ish up here, but weather to take a turn for the worse for the end of the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    They just can't seem to get the full sunshine days right lately for Dublin :-)

    20-30 Km away full sunshine all day so far - LOL. Me? Struggling to break 1.2Kw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Lowest yield so far today since install not even 14KwH.

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭DC999


    Gotta love an E setup at this time of the year. My cheap night rate ends at 6am. And at that very moment, E decides to wakesup and is generating 100w. And I’ve a W (we’ll NW really) that still generates 100w until 9pm.

    Yeah, yeah I’ll never get the monster stats of ye S heads :) But I can live without that. We’ve no battery so the E/W is handy for that longer spread over the day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Turbulent Bill


    PV newbie here. Just had a 3.05kWp E facing, 4.35kWp W facing system installed, North Dublin. On some days, the output is very 'spikey', even though the overall yield is ok. See below as an example. Note I've no smart meter yet, so no export?

    Is this spikiness expected? Obviously the irradiance changes for lots of reasons, but I can't measure this independently.



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