Russia-Ukraine War (Threadbanned in op)

So we should be trying to break through the wall of internet information (censorship) around China exactly as if we were already at war with them?

We should be funding anti CPC government groups living in the West and withholding visas for any one on the CCP page?

So long as it is productive.

Crack down on Beijing stooges?(when the time comes)

Let other countries choose a side?

I keep flip flopping over any possible end to this war ,can't see how either side will concede anything and can't see an end to it either as Putin despite all the wishful thinking that he will come a cropper just looks to have enough friends to help him carry on the way it is .The chances of Russia being completely defeated and driven out just don't appear likely at this stage .Of course the other side is Ukraine must win ,it's just depressing thinking about it .

Ah yes .Russia were the good guys and we never realized.

War is peace.I must have forgotten.

well now, let me see now… this might take me some considerable length of time, please don't want for me.

Shouting "peace" while actively attacking someone is not "calling for peace".

also clownski isn't even the head of state anymore

Care to elaborate?

There's a certain kind of peace to be achieved in the complete slaughter of all your enemies, and it's a peace that's probably agreeable in Putin's mind.

In what way is it similar? 

It's similar as in that it's complicated. Many western commentators such as mearsheimer claim that the maiden revolution was a coup.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/24483306

On the other extreme people claim that Ukraine which was regarded as the most corrupt country in Europe is full of modern day Saints.

So, I would say it's complicated and NATO involvement in Ukraine spooked the Russian's and things got a lot worse prior to the war with all the ceasefire violations.

Putin's offer is humiliating for Ukraine but so was the Brits offer to Ireland. I think they should probably take the offer while they still have Ukrainian people left alive, declare neutrality and in a hundred years time they could start talking about reunification, like here.

Anyway, I suspect everyone here has heard all the discussion points and made up their minds. I'm for ceasefire and human rights.

Pity Putin didn't give Russians the choice to vote for or against invading Ukraine, isn't it? Luna84. Oh, despite what the Kremlin factory of lies is telling you, President Zelenski is still the lawful President of Ukraine, and will remain so until the end of the war, because under the Ukrainian constitution, there cannot be any referendums or Presidential elections during war time. Next time you are posting, try to verify your clownish statements Luna84…

The Russian military could partially collapse or there could be an internal military crisis (not impossible considering what happened with Prigozhin), economic factors (the war is extremely expensive for Russia), domestic factors, political factors. There are things that could potentially force Putin into a real negotiation (likely brokered by a third party e.g. Turkey or China). Ukraine doesn't necessarily have to physically recapture every square centimeter, pressure is incredibly important, that includes the pressure domestically in Russia of a perpetual conflict that is sapping a lot from them.

Conversely Ukraine could get into trouble, but the allies seem to be showing increasing resolve rather than lacking (after the lull) and that is seriously denting Putin's long-term "wait them out" strategy.

Personally I would expect this war to end at the table, but with a real negotiation via back channels and third parties. When and how that happens is anyone's guess

Actually here's a question you ruZZian sympathizers need to answer. What has putin's ruZZia created or even embellished over the last two decades that has enhanced or emboldened humanity? I'm reading a vey inciteful book at the minute, 'In Search of Excellence' which offers insights into the practices and strategies employed by America's most successful companies. A quote from the book is from one of Intel's founders, 'Go and create something wonderful'…. does putin's ruZZia even have the capacity?

"Anyway, I suspect everyone here has heard all the discussion points…"

What you have posted are not discussion points but just a repetition of the usual kremlin b******t spouted by putin apologists.

In fairness, Ukraine has always been fairly inventive, with good manufacturing development etc. It was probably one of the reasons Putin invaded, he wanted those capabilities back.

I think it's really just that he regards Ukraine and Belarus as essentially part of Russia, and Ukraine contains Kyiv and Odessa - two jewels of the Russian empire, with Kyiv being a centre of slavic culture when Moscow didn't even really exist. He pretty much said in one of those essays that the modern day territory of Ukraine is an unjust artifice drawn up by short-sighted Bolsheviks. But as long as these countries remain Russian-aligned, he was content to let them remain as vassals, if only for stability's sake.

If it's about NATO on his borders, he already has plenty of that which he can basically live with.

If it's about living standards, he has similar on his borders with Finland and the Baltic states, and he can live with that, too.

So, it's not that he invaded because he couldn't have NATO on his borders, but that if Ukraine did become a part of NATO, then he would essentially lose the ability to halt Ukraine's westward pivot via military intervention.

Something I've never seen before on Twitter or X.

I put in the name of an area of Russia that is also the name of their submarine visiting Cuba. KAZAN. In the search function to see what would be occurring in that part of the world.

What is coming up, no sorry appearing, no wait included in the search results, are ads for escorts in Kazan, Russia.

Whether their regular way of advertising is shut down or that there's more of a need for money or looking for a new edge. But Musk's platform is now advertising escorts in Russia.

It's something anyway.