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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭SodiumCooled


    Just to confirm it’s 37N concrete required for slatted tanks, laybacks etc. What sort of a price is it per metre at the moment does anyone know.

    Will make a few phones calls tomorrow but just got a quote through which all materials are being included (for the tanks etc) and previous quotes were labour only so need to price concrete to compare. I know still included too but that’s harder to price without a list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Has to be either mix a or mix b on the dockets for tams jobs. Both are 37n and 45n with the max chip of 20mm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭SodiumCooled


    Thanks, should be mix b then which is 37N. Info I see there looking it up says mix a (45N) is for silage slabs, silage pit walls etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Mix a is for areas in contact with silage effluent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Both the concrete suppliers and concrete worksman should be on top of TAMS requirements too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    Ya it’s 37N, it’ll be different everywhere depending on demand and if Roadstone have it all to themselves in the area or not. Around me the mix for tanks ranges from €125 - €142 / M plus vat



  • Registered Users Posts: 948 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    Hi folks. Does anyone know if the clipex head or condon warrior gate is covered by tams 3 grant. Is it classed as a semi automatic gate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Headgate no problem what so ever. Would you consider the mobile crush with the squeeze and scales. On a side note I dehorned suckler calves in one on Saturday



  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭irishguy19772


    Sorry for the ignorance here. We have a small farm with around 21 animals. We have 2 crushes that have seen better days and very old style head gates.

    Would we be eligible for a tams grant for safety equipment (am I correct in assuming 60% is paid back if approved). Does this also mean I would have to get someone approved to design the new crush and buy approved materials?

    Anyone ever done this and rough costs involved?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Yes, you would be eligible for the 60% grant for safety equipment.

    No, you don’t need anyone approved to design the crush, you can do it yourself as long as you stick to the tams specifications. Document S.137 is the specifications for handling facilities.

    Yes, you have to buy approved materials which must meet the specs from S.137.

    Bear in mind though that there are reference costs for everything with tams and this is the max you will get grant aided on for any item.

    As an example, the reference cost for a mobile crush is €2,272. 60% on this is €1,363 in grant aid to you. However you could pay €10,000 if you like for a mobile crush with all the bells and whistles but you’ll still only get €1,363 in grant aid so it’s not as simple as just spending what you like and they give you 60% back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    for the mobile crush is that 2272+vat. You cannot claim the vat back so it is grant aid of 1363 on a total out lay of 2794.56 inc vat at 23%

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 948 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    I would. I have applied for both grants but in terms of priorities there is a few other things that need to get done this year. Replacing slats, some reseeding and a few other bits. I dont think I will be able to stretch for the full crush but at a minimum i need a good head gate with a scoop for safety reasons.

    Have you the mobile crush? any feedback on makes / models?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Did a job a few years ago and like the look of the condon style mobile crush. Designed the job around it and made it a lifetime job. The morris style head gate is super for cattle flow and squeeze on the crush is just fantastic with suckler stock. With all the weighting schemes it has been well paid. Like the posters said above it will be over the the reference cost for scales and a mobile crush, but it really pays in safety and speed of working beef stock. A simple thing of sheeting on the bottom doors is great to mind the feet. Taking time to design it with cattle flow is key, no one piece of investment in handling will save time, it's he collective of lots of little things in the design that when really efficiency is got. Look at the the jobs that you are doing, like the forcing pen, safe working zone, a work area, drafting, area for loading cattle into a trailer, lighting, and even cleaning. Designing it around existing pens in the sheds or yards can help. Imagine at the herd test having all cattle in the yard and sheds and it's only a matter of moving them.

    If you do consider it really drives down the cost of the scales as most are designed for weight bars under them. Any time I want to weight it's only bring out the clock and connect it. Cattle are so used to going over it it you weight stock quick. I always weight stock before going to the factory and will run the whole bunch over the scales and draft off the ones I want. I have a good handle on thrive of the remainder then.

    Other makes out there are the te pari, Bateman, and the clipex. Condons was the cheaper and sufficient for nearly all Irish farmers, bar a feedlot.

    Would agree on slats first and grazing infrastructure next followed by handling. Feel free to drop a DM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    The option of a scales can be added in to drive the cost down if you don't have one already.

    Correct on the vat and the tams grant aid, but for most farmers something like this is a lifetime investment in their own and staff safety. Anyone doing a new handling yard should really take time to weight up the options longterm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Finally received the approval letter today for my TAM's LESS application I applied for on the 12th of December



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    When putting in the invoice for a claim on a slurry tanker with trailing shoe do you need the costing of both on the invoice or will just the total price paid do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    AFAIK items that are granted aided separately have to be costed individually

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Yea I thought so,just need to make sure the garage has the amounts right on the two items on the invoice to make sure neither go over approved costings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭razor8


    Probably a silly question, but i see theirs a Tams grant for a manure pit but none for a dungstead.

    what exactly is the difference??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    And accelerated capital allowances on it aswell



  • Registered Users Posts: 948 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    Hi Lads. I am looking at these 2 crush gates which will be used for calves, cows and factory fit bullocks. Looking for feedback on either because i cannot decide which one to go for. Both can be supplied with front and rear handle to close gate on cow and both can have head scoop fitted. The main difference is that the teemore crush gate has a 3 piece cage on the front. Price wise there isn't a whole pile between them. See links below.

    https://www.teemoreengineering.com/products/teemore-crush-gate/

    https://www.teemoreengineering.com/products/clipex-crush-gate/



  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Freejin


    Folks, in relation to TAMS 3 items such as a meal bin for example, they don't need planning permission as long as they are exempt. Does that mean you need a letter of planning exemption from your local council for said item before applying for the grant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    how strict are they in relation to making a small start before the grant is approved, basically I just want to clear a bank of stuff and take away the walls of an open pit, 2 or 3 days machine work. Has anyone had issues with similar in the past



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


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    You can not allow the cost of the work against the grant

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭893bet


    I tried to make a claim and I could t get it started. Got the below error.

    I am tax compliant. Seem to have lost the approval letter. By local office is it the Tams department I need to contact to try get them my tax clearance or what is it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    ah that’s grand so, won’t cost a fortune anyway to do this bit, thanks 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭V6400


    I got the same and emailed the email address in the letter and was sorted straight away. What’s your local office incase we’re the same and I can give you the email address? Otherwise I’d say ring the local office and ask for name and email of person over TAMS in the office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Durrus Boy


    Hi all,

    As regards making payment for a TAMS approved machine, does anyone know if you pay by credit card, will the Dept. be satisfied with the Credit Card statement or will they require the Current A/c statement that services the Credit card?

    Thanks....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    In an inspection they will want to see the account is has been paid from. If you pay via credit card, I would assume you will have to show the statement and payment in full from current ac. Debit card would show on the current ac so no issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would presume that a CC account would be considered the same as borrowing the money. Critical part would be that CC is in the name of applicant or applicants

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    When submitting paperwork to receive TAMS payment on a tanker and shoeis it just the invoice,health and safety cert and your tax clearance cert that's needed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Invoice marked as paid is important. Make sure the vat number is on it as DAFM will check to see has the company a tax clearance cert via e certs. It's pretty good to tell you what's missing before submitting



  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Durrus Boy


    My issue is that the main farm c/a is a joint a/c with income/ expenditure from 2 herd numbers, has been like this for 20 years. AFAIK Dept won't allow this, as other farmers are involved.

    Will have to get the thinking cap on!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Start a separate c/a and trade separate or look at partnership for next year. Its messy otherwise. After that, a solution would be outside my knowledge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If its a partnership there cannot be herd numbers from outside the partnership involved and all herd numbers from with in the partnershipmust be declared. As well all payments (Marts, Factory and department) must go into joint account. If not a penalty onnyou farm payment equivalent to tge sums paid into other accounts is applied against your farm payments

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    does anyone know how long it takes to get approved when the status says “Ready for pre approval”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    For the fencing grant lately it took a bit over two weeks. However a tuine harrow is waiting even though it was at pre approval before it but applied for at a later tranche. I know I could buy it as its mobile machinery

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I hit the same stage this week on Tranche 3, they still have 2,500 left to complete on Tranche 2 then I believe Tranche 3 only had 3500 applications. My prediction is late July / August. This is also the stage where the queries come so that could delay things further



  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭V6400


    Payment for tranche 1 showing up in financial self services this morning, hopefully hit the bank account later today. Was a long auld wait for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123


    ok, hopefully only another 2 months so, it’s beyond me why they can’t do do something similar to the council with planning, I.e. you’ll have an answer one way or another within 10 weeks for example from time of submission, this guessing crack is just a joke. I know from speaking with other people that I’m actually in a fortunate situation because I only got in the last round so haven’t been waiting long at all really, some people waiting over a year for an answer. I suppose my approach would put too much pressure on the pencil pushers and make life too easy for the farmers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭memorystick


    I applied on April 10 for a grant for sheep equipment. I haven’t heard anything since. Is this the norm? It’s my first time applying. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,640 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    is TAMS open for applicants at the moment ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭epfff


    I applied this time last year and got approved last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭epfff


    Yep applied recently.

    Next closing date isn't for a while yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭memorystick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭lmk123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭893bet


    is there tams on sprayers for dairy/beef farmers? Ie the average 400 litre sprayer

    Is it covered below? And how is the reference cost calculated from the below?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭893bet


    ah missed that! The reference cost calculation looked too large scale for a farmer given the cost of the average 400/800l sprayer.
    Not for me anyway. Neighbour was asking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    And it would have to be GPS section controlled, so that lands it in the realm of over 1000l min.

    The jarmet style sprayers wouldn't even met the 1st part of that spec



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