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Tailteann Cup 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    What saved the Tailteann Cup in the last two years was that they finished with good competitive finals in Croke Park. A real feelgood factor for Westmeath and Meath.

    But there have been a lot of absolute hammerings too, which isn't great.

    I don't really have a perfect solution. Potentially 3-tier could be worth a try, with both junior finals in Croke Park ahead of senior semi finals.

    Realistically, most of the teams in the Tailteann Cup have zero chance of making it to the semifinals or finals, when you have the likes of a Kildare or Down in there. Similarly the likes of my own Clare play in the Sam Maguire but have zero chance of actually winning, or reaching a final.

    We now have two tiers, each with 16 teams.

    Maybe could have 12 teams in Sam, 10 in Tailteann and 10 in a third competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,532 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Story of the season. Conceded 18 goals across 12 games in league and championship. A lot of them identical to the last too- either cut open through the middle or full-back left isolated one on one inside.

    Unlucky to miss out on promotion (though conceded 3 goals in a tight game too), yet the bottom three in Division 4 all won at least one game in the Tailteann which we didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,064 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    That's a bit embarrassing tbh and maybe coin toss for home advantage the way to go

    Some very convenient draws for the PQF. Limerick vs Tipp, Antrim vs London

    https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/332250?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1D90YKRi_ucLDfzZJlbyJk7M1kVhIq6fU3tfYs6Tar7KQ1zqHc0AcOZ_U_aem_ARU7zrxhpx9VArYeTbX1jEJMPfeJEt4ZD0k5XFueLEQr8LXKhdd-mmcZMzH6nOHXUXHDficgaXaFSov04UupYtD6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Two possible pairings, Laois v Wicklow and Limerick v London were ruled out.

    The four top seeds all got through to the QF stage, with only Sligo dropping a point. Kildare had a plus 51 point scoring difference. Laois, Leitrim and Antrim justified their Seed 2 rating by coming second in their groups. But the other Seed 2 Offaly failed to get even a point. Tipp and London exceeded expectations by progressing as Seeds 4. And Waterford also finished third, but are replaced by New York. Longford and Wexford along with Offaly finished on zero points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    That's pretty bad. It was the perfect recipe for something like that. 2 winless teams that, given their brutal score difference, were unlikely to progress even if they had won, and the match being played in a neutral venue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They were entitled to be winless. Their two losses were each against higher seeds. Their brutal scoring differences were courtesy of the Kildare juggernaut. Kildare 5-15 Waterford 0-06. Kildare 3-25 Longford 1-11. But Longford only lost to Seed 2 Leitrim by one point.

    Longford as Seed 3 should have beaten Waterford. And if they had won by 3 or more, they would have progressed, and Tipp would have lost out to New York. There is no way they should have risked having to take the long trip to Waterford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Why is the Leitrim match on in Longford instead of Carrick?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Pitch is being relaid in Carrick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Fair play to Wicklow.

    Decent season for them



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    Both New York and London gave a very good account of themselves today but Antrim and Laois progress. The four group winners (Sligo,Fermanagh,Down,Kildare) with home advantage will be expected to reach the Croke Park semi finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    The way Wicklow are playing I think we have a chance.

    Nobody will want to play us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Wicklow have recovered from two opening losses to make the quarter-finals. Derry, Westmeath, Roscommon, Cavan, Clare and Meath will be looking to do something similar in the All-Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Fermanagh v Antrim
    Sligo v Limerick
    Down v Wicklow
    Kildare v Laois



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Happy enough with that as a Laois supporter, not least for the length of the drive it could have been 😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    That Down-Wicklow match could be an ugly score-line



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    Antrim, Sligo, Down and Kildare to progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Thats surely the end of the road for Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If there is a bit of interest in the local derby, it might have to be switched out of Kildare. Carlow would be the obvious choice if it is available. The powers that be in Croke Park have the final say. They were OK with Kildare playing Longford at Hawkfield.

    "The GAA has approved the Hawkfield venue, which regularly hosts the county's hurlers and women's footballers, as the attendance is predicted to be less than 80% of its maximum capacity (1,500)."



  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Treble double


    All the teams left were either div 3 in the leauge, relegated to Div3 or promoted to Div 3, I think I'm right in saying that shouldn't be much between any of them in those knockout games, there is no huge gulf in class at play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    A more up to date form guide is available on Laoisman11's football ranking thread. The only big mismatch is Down 13 v Wicklow 24. Down scored 8-16 against Laois last year at the Semi Final stage.

    The others could be close in theory. Fermanagh 19 v Antrim 21. Sligo 18 v Limerick 22. Kildare 17 v Laois 23.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭eamonpk


    Tailteann Cup quarter-finals
    Saturday 15 June
    Fermanagh v Antrim, Brewster Park, 6pm
    Sligo v Limerick, Markievicz Park, 5pm
    Down v Wicklow, Pairc Esler, 4.30pm - GAAGO

    Sunday 16 June
    Kildare v Laois, Glenisk O’Connor Park, 1.15pm - GAAGO



  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Hard to see anything other than 4 home wins. An upset somewhere would be ideal, it's the making of knockout competitions. As Gaa becomes more professional in approach, upsets are becoming like hens teeth unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    Where the last eight finished in the league this spring.

    Fermanagh 7th in Div 2

    Kildare 8th in Div 2

    Down 1st in Div 3

    Sligo 4th in Div 3

    Antrim 5th in Div 3

    Wicklow 7th in Div 3

    Limerick 8th in Div 3

    Laois 1st in Div 4



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭einn32


    I can't see Limerick winning in Sligo but we've had a good run. Hopefully give a good account of themselves up there. The league run was awful and Munster wasn't much better this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Would have been a long winter if they hadn't gotten those few wins. Hopefully something to build on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    At the start of the 2023 National League, Limerick were in Division 2 and Sligo were in Division 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What Billy Lee done for that team was insane. His reign started with 50 players opting out and he "did the best with what he had" way beyond any reasonable expectation.

    Since then we had a player revolt against his successor, another bunch of opt-outs. Jimmy Lee has done what he can to steady the ship but all the momentum is gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Treble double


    If you took a look at some of the movements of teams up and down the divisions in the past decade it is fascinating. Derry for example went from 1 to 4 and back up to 1 again in something like 8 years. I think Gallagher took them on when they were in 4 and started the revival. Westmeath had a similar drop from 1. The leauge table doesnt lie and is an accurate reflection of your footballing level. Colm Collins took Clare from 4 to 3 winning 3 and consolidated in 2 for nearly 8 years. As a hurling county Clare were at their maximum staying in 2. Collins had every footballer in the county vying to get into the squad and the set up was first class, they made a couple of drives to get to 1 but they were maxed out in 2. Its a brilliant competition that should be played in more favourable time of the year weather wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭ebbsy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Tullamore will be almost empty on Sunday.

    Should have kept it in Hawkfield ??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    3 quarter-finals on today

    and 1 tomorrow

    Down, Kildare and Sligo all big favourites but the all-Ulster tie this evening looks to be competitive.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Was at the Sligo Limerick game, was a bit of a procession, wasn't sure what to expect but Limerick were really poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    No need for a draw to get the semi final pairings. It will be Down v Sligo and Antrim v Laois/Kildare. Double header in Croke Park Sunday 23rd. If Laois come through it will be 3 of the last 4 from last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    wexford gaa are trying to get the all ireland hurling 1/4 finals moved to the sunday and the tailteann cup semi finals put back to the saturday , the reason for this is they are hosting the feille competitions on saturday and sunday morning ,

    there is a special central council meeting tomorrow to determine what happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Won't happen and rightly so. Dublin and Clare fans will have already bought their train and bus tickets to the game so it would be a terrible decision to change the games now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    derek kent is driving this , he has serious power in the gaa central council i wouldnt be surprised if he gets his way , it would be completely wrong if he dose as it undermines a scheduled landmark day in the football calendar , the examiner were reporting that a coin toss could take place if all parties cant agree on it ,

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Looking like a Kildare vs Down final so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    dont rule out antrim in the semi final , that was a fine win in Enniskillen tonight , not to mention how close they came to beating meath in last years semi finals

    mcintee doesn't do himself many favors at times on the line with referees or even with the media , but he is a very good coach and is getting a serious tune out of this antrim team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Since I'm cheering on Laois in Tullamore tomorrow I'm hoping you're wrong lol.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    So where's handy to park in Tullamore for the match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Tailteann Cup counties won't be impressed if the semi-finals are switched to Saturday. To be fair, I think hurling does need the promotion on the Sunday as they have only 5 games left. The danger for the GAA is that if Tailteann counties feel they are being mislead by GAA HQ, there could be motions coming for an open All-Ireland football championship without the tiered structure. Offaly weren't enthusiastic about the Tailteann this year. In hurling, Offaly don't want any relegation to the McDonagh!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    Kildare's season goes from bad to worse. Were favourites to win the Tailteann Cup but dumped out by neighbours Laois today by 2-11 to 0-12. Glenn Ryan surely must go after this pathetic year in charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Wow. Some result for Laois. Did not see that one coming (and neither did the bookies)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    And Laois lucky enough to overcome New York in Portlaoise last weekend. It looked all set for a Kildare win but they can never be trusted.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    Hard to believe just how rubbish Kildare have been this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Fair points by the Sligo manager on the proposed switch

    "For three years now we've been trying to give some status to the Tailteann Cup, trying to tell lower ranked teams that this is an important competition and we respect it, it has a position in the calendar and it has its own rights," McEntee said.

    "Sunday the 23rd was the date set that teams who had done well and got to the Tailteann Cup semi-final would get a Sunday afternoon slot and get the high-profile exposure that had been agreed to.

    "All of a sudden this is changed and that slot is now going to switch to hurling. The GAA still say the Tailteann Cup teams will play in Croke Park and it will be televised on the Saturday. It’s the integrity of the competition and more so that when the hurling teams lobby the GAA, the GAA will readily switch the dates for the competitions at a whim's notice."

    source



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    Semi finals

    Down v Sligo

    Antrim v Laois



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Game of two halves in Tullamore imo. Laois were lucky to hang in there in the first half.

    Second half felt Laois had more control. Probably should have had a 3rd goal

    Saying that the Laois goalie made two good saves and Kildare hit the post near the end.

    Felt like Kildare had plenty of possession but didn't know what to do with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,290 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Sounds an awful lot like Laois beating Limerick at this time last year.



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