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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

  • 15-04-2021 5:54pm
    #1
    Necro
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    Following on from

    this thread

    Please remain civil or posting privileges will be removed

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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  • #2
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    FFGG are doing a great job!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #3
    TheTruth21
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    Why have posts been deleted but one i am warned still aable to be viewed?


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
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    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    Why have posts been deleted but one i am warned still aable to be viewed?

    It’s the Illuminati, dude.


  • #5
    Necro
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    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    Why have posts been deleted but one i am warned still aable to be viewed?

    Mod:

    Seeing as you want to continue to discuss moderation on thread, you are now threadbanned.

    Post here again and it's a forum ban.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #6
    Bubbaclaus
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    Great to see all the positive news, after a tough few days of news about the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines. Looking forward to a professional haircut in a few weeks :)

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/phenomenal-achievement-donnelly-says-as-22pc-drop-in-covid-case-numbers-confirmed-by-nphet-40316809.html


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  • #7
    Floppybits
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    Northern Ireland flying ahead.

    https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1382758399461502981


  • #8
    Bishop of hope
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    Floppybits wrote: »
    Northern Ireland flying ahead.

    https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1382758399461502981

    Aren't they lucky they're still in the UK?


  • #9
    Bubbaclaus
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    Great data in this infographic from the DOH. 0 nursing home outbreaks, very low cases in healthcare workers and over 80s. Lowest in hospital in over 6 months.

    Very positive for the continued reopening in early May.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1382766267015307270?s=19


  • #10
    Necro
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    TheTruth21's threadban lifted after discussion with poster

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #11
    Finty Lemon
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    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Aren't they lucky they're still in the UK?

    Maybe we should rejoin the motherland


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  • #12
    TheTruth21
    Site Banned Posts: 71 ✭✭TheTruth21


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Great data in this infographic from the DOH. 0 nursing home outbreaks, very low cases in healthcare workers and over 80s. Lowest in hospital in over 6 months.

    Very positive for the continued reopening in early May.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1382766267015307270?s=19

    Good stuff, please god it keeps going


  • #13
    TheTruth21
    Site Banned Posts: 71 ✭✭TheTruth21


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382769038502289408?s=19

    Mandotary Quarantine is a waste of time we were told


  • #14
    TheTruth21
    Site Banned Posts: 71 ✭✭TheTruth21


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382756955521945600?s=19

    The chaos continues


  • #15
    Monkey arris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭Monkey arris


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Great to see all the positive news, after a tough few days of news about the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines. Looking forward to a professional haircut in a few weeks :)

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/phenomenal-achievement-donnelly-says-as-22pc-drop-in-covid-case-numbers-confirmed-by-nphet-40316809.html

    The public seem to be behaving. Good on them.


  • #16
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,807 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382756955521945600?s=19

    The chaos continues

    Let's be clear on this, SF, Labour and the SDs were pooh-poohing concerns raised by FG about mandatory hotel quarantine being in breach of EU law (as was I raising them). Now we see that the EU Commission is investigating Ireland for this.

    I hope the Government learns the lesson not to listen to populist nonsense from the opposition. They were weak to do so on this issue. We also have constitutional challenges weaving their way through the courts.

    This was all predictable and predicted by me. The only thing is at least the government had the right intention, the opposition following the mob are beneath contempt.

    And how pointless it will be when some idiot flies into Belfast and travels South bringing a new variant with him.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Let's be clear on this, SF, Labour and the SDs were pooh-poohing concerns raised by FG about mandatory hotel quarantine being in breach of EU law (as was I raising them). Now we see that the EU Commission is investigating Ireland for this.

    I hope the Government learns the lesson not to listen to populist nonsense from the opposition. They were weak to do so on this issue. We also have constitutional challenges weaving their way through the courts.

    This was all predictable and predicted by me. The only thing is at least the government had the right intention, the opposition following the mob are beneath contempt.

    And how pointless it will be when some idiot flies into Belfast and travels South bringing a new variant with him.

    The random nature of the selection of countries is why the Commission complained, not the scheme itself!
    Just put them all on the list


  • #18
    CDarby
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Let's be clear on this, SF, Labour and the SDs were pooh-poohing concerns raised by FG about mandatory hotel quarantine being in breach of EU law (as was I raising them). Now we see that the EU Commission is investigating Ireland for this.

    I hope the Government learns the lesson not to listen to populist nonsense from the opposition. They were weak to do so on this issue. We also have constitutional challenges weaving their way through the courts.

    This was all predictable and predicted by me. The only thing is at least the government had the right intention, the opposition following the mob are beneath contempt.

    And how pointless it will be when some idiot flies into Belfast and travels South bringing a new variant with him.

    The bold boys made us do it won't wash
    Besides a govt introducing things based on what the opposition say, makes them not only a spineless govt, but populous govt too.


  • #19
    blanch152
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    CDarby wrote: »
    The bold boys made us do it won't wash
    Besides a govt introducing things based on what the opposition say, makes them not only a spineless govt, but populous govt too.

    Well yes, I am criticising them for listening to the populist mob-following opposition. Hopefully they learn their lesson.


  • #20
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Let's be clear on this, SF, Labour and the SDs were pooh-poohing concerns raised by FG about mandatory hotel quarantine being in breach of EU law (as was I raising them). Now we see that the EU Commission is investigating Ireland for this.

    I hope the Government learns the lesson not to listen to populist nonsense from the opposition. They were weak to do so on this issue. We also have constitutional challenges weaving their way through the courts.

    This was all predictable and predicted by me. The only thing is at least the government had the right intention, the opposition following the mob are beneath contempt.

    And how pointless it will be when some idiot flies into Belfast and travels South bringing a new variant with him.

    Nonsense. NPHET called for it in May 2020. Nearly a year ago. They had a year to get the legal and process and planning right and they failed as per usual. I think they are more worried about optics than governance. It's just more chaos.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #21
    blanch152
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    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Nonsense. NPHET called for it in May 2020. Nearly a year ago. They had a year to get the legal and process and planning right and they failed as per usual. I think they are more worried about optics than governance. It's just more chaos.

    If it turns out to be unconstitutional or against EU law, are you saying they should have had a referendum or an Irexit?


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    Cluedo Monopoly
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    If it turns out to be unconstitutional or against EU law, are you saying they should have had a referendum or an Irexit?

    If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The key word in my sentence is 'planning'. When making plans you normally look at the risks, the possible pitfalls, the potential blockers. If legality was a risk, they had nearly a year to figure it out. They didn't and they will look extremely foolish if they have to scrap it. Extremely foolish. Extremely incompetent.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #23
    blanch152
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    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The key word in my sentence is 'planning'. When making plans you normally look at the risks, the possible pitfalls, the potential blockers. If legality was a risk, they had nearly a year to figure it out. They didn't and they will look extremely foolish if they have to scrap it. Extremely foolish. Extremely incompetent.

    How do you plan for something that might be unconstitutional or against EU law?

    You can't just figure that out.


  • #24
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    How do you plan for something that might be unconstitutional or against EU law?

    You can't just figure that out.

    What are you waffling about? If they can figure out if it's legally sound now, they could have figured it out well before now i.e. during the concept/planning phase. You're not making any sense. This is basic stuff. You ask the relevant legal experts. Ah stop, if there is a climbdown on MHQ, they will never live it down.

    I know, they will blame the variants for making it illegal all of a sudden.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #25
    [Deleted User]
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    The realities are the realities. We have done an excellent job so far in this pandemic. Income supports are amongst the highest in Europe (think Finland might be higher?), death rates are well below average; our vaccine rollout is slightly ahead of the EU average, and we all have to deal with supply issues; our economy was the only one to post a growth despite lockdown.

    The mandatory quarantine was a serious error though, and we have to look at FF populism for making that happen. Simon Coveney came out strongly against it, and we really all should listen to what that chap has to say about things.

    We have a border with NI, and I'm sure we have to deal with the realities that we won't be putting every arrival over the border into the Four Seasons in Monaghan Town.


  • #26
    TheTruth21
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    https://twitter.com/gabysayshey/status/1382804255808102405?s=19

    The chaos

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382807678406254599?s=19

    And the Trump


  • #27
    markodaly
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    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The key word in my sentence is 'planning'. When making plans you normally look at the risks, the possible pitfalls, the potential blockers. If legality was a risk, they had nearly a year to figure it out. They didn't and they will look extremely foolish if they have to scrap it. Extremely foolish. Extremely incompetent.

    The AG did warn the Irish Government on this, warnings dismissed by many posters here.


  • #28
    skimpydoo
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    They have had over a year to plan this but as usual, MHQ is put together at the last minute. It's like they don't give a ****e so that it will fail and they will then say I told you that it would not work.


  • #29
    Bishop of hope
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    Another bank getting ready to depart Ireland.
    KBC, "the bank of you" is off apoarently.
    Banking sector becoming a bit chaotic.


  • #30
    Floppybits
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    skimpydoo wrote: »
    They have had over a year to plan this but as usual, MHQ is put together at the last minute. It's like they don't give a ****e so that it will fail and they will then say I told you that it would not work.

    As the saying goes 'fail to Plan, plan to fail'. Planning seems to be a problem for this government and the one before it. Lockdowns are an easy answer for them planning to come out of them and coming up with processes and procedures seems to be beyond their and the civil service capabilities.


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  • #31
    Bishop of hope
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    Floppybits wrote: »
    As the saying goes 'fail to Plan, plan to fail'. Planning seems to be a problem for this government and the one before it. Lockdowns are an easy answer for them planning to come out of them and coming up with processes and procedures seems to be beyond their and the civil service capabilities.

    Can you point to a country where lockdowns, haven't been the answer?


  • #32
    [Deleted User]
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    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Another bank getting ready to depart Ireland.
    KBC, "the bank of you" is off apoarently.
    Banking sector becoming a bit chaotic.

    No money to be made, ironically enough. The non performing loans became a killer for UB and now KBC.


  • #33
    Wanderer78
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    Bishop of hope wrote:
    Another bank getting ready to depart Ireland. KBC, "the bank of you" is off apoarently. Banking sector becoming a bit chaotic.

    We re still dealing with the fall out of 08, it's underlying issues haven't been dealt with at all, it's slowly coming back around to hunt us


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Can you point to a country where lockdowns, haven't been the answer?

    Believe they managed to get by without a lockdown in Pitcairn.


  • #35
    Floppybits
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    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Can you point to a country where lockdowns, haven't been the answer?

    Where did I say lockdowns are not answer?

    I said "Lockdowns are an easy answer for them planning to come out of them and coming up with processes and procedures seems to be beyond their and the civil service capabilities."


  • #36
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    markodaly wrote: »
    The AG did warn the Irish Government on this, warnings dismissed by many posters here.

    Really Mark...yeah.

    Did it go something like this?

    Minister: Have we checked all the legalities on the new MHQ process?
    Civil Servant: Well the bright folks on the Boards FFGG thread seem to think there is no issue.
    Minister: That will do so. Execute plan.
    Civil Sevant: Plan?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • #37
    blanch152
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    Floppybits wrote: »
    As the saying goes 'fail to Plan, plan to fail'. Planning seems to be a problem for this government and the one before it. Lockdowns are an easy answer for them planning to come out of them and coming up with processes and procedures seems to be beyond their and the civil service capabilities.

    The first military lesson is that no plan survives engagement with the enemy. Those who are whinging about the plans are forgetting this most important lesson.

    The vaccine roll-out plan has had to change 25 times due to issues of health and safety, vaccine delivery, implementation issues, re-priotitisation based on experience etc. If it hadn't changed that many times in such a new and novel situation, I would be more worried as it would suggest a government not taking account of changing situations. We would be at risk of ending up like Sweden and Brazil with far, far more deaths and illnesses.

    Thankfully the government so far have been able to ignore these hurlers from the ditch and get on with playing what is the most difficult game of their lives.


  • #38
    blanch152
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    skimpydoo wrote: »
    They have had over a year to plan this but as usual, MHQ is put together at the last minute. It's like they don't give a ****e so that it will fail and they will then say I told you that it would not work.

    I did tell you and many others that it wasn't legal, it wouldn't work and was disproportionate. So far, it seems that I am right.

    I note that the UK has discovered the Indian mutation has reached London, won't be long before it gets to Belfast, and then down here. There is too much movement between the two islands to countenance anything other than a British Isles lockdown, as that is the only thing that might work. Unfortunately for political reasons in both jurisdictions, it seems to be off the table.


  • #39
    JimmyVik
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    The Greens trying to add taxes onto everything. Next we wont be allowed to ravel even if there is no pandemic.
    I think theyve all forgotten we live on a small island.


  • #40
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    The first military lesson is that no plan survives engagement with the enemy. Those who are whinging about the plans are forgetting this most important lesson.

    The vaccine roll-out plan has had to change 25 times due to issues of health and safety, vaccine delivery, implementation issues, re-priotitisation based on experience etc. If it hadn't changed that many times in such a new and novel situation, I would be more worried as it would suggest a government not taking account of changing situations. We would be at risk of ending up like Sweden and Brazil with far, far more deaths and illnesses.

    Thankfully the government so far have been able to ignore these hurlers from the ditch and get on with playing what is the most difficult game of their lives.

    :D You robbed that line from Iron Mike Tyson!

    'Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth'

    There more to planning than a single hope-for-the-best plan. There are risk response plans, risk mitigation plans, contingency plans, stress planning etc. The government have never shown any skills or interest in detailed planning. They fall at the first hurdle every time.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #41
    TheTruth21
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    The EU want Ireland to explain the reasons certain countries are on list and others with higher rates not.

    Will Ireland be honest and just say are making it up all along or blame the opposition for making them do it?


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  • #42
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    The EU want Ireland to explain the reasons certain countries are on list and others with higher rates not.

    Will Ireland be honest and just say are making it up all along or blame the opposition for making them do it?

    They have options here. They can blame the Variants, the Brits, Jason Bourne and Boards posters.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #43
    Floppybits
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    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    They have options here. They can blame the Variants, the Brits, Jason Bourne and Boards posters.

    Or will they admit they wanted to prove to the opposition that its not possible so we set it up badly as we could to prove the point.


  • #44
    blanch152
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    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    :DYou robbed that line from Iron Mike Tyson!

    'Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth'

    There more to planning than a single hope-for-the-best plan. There are risk response plans, risk mitigation plans, contingency plans, stress planning etc. The government have never shown any skills or interest in detailed planning. They fall at the first hurdle every time.

    No, actually, if I recall correctly, it was a Prussian General sometime in the 19th century who put it forward.

    The point about your planning is that the Government will only publish the one plan, the others are held in private until needed, hence the 25 changes I mentioned.


  • #45
    TheTruth21
    Site Banned Posts: 71 ✭✭TheTruth21


    blanch152 wrote: »
    No, actually, if I recall correctly, it was a Prussian General sometime in the 19th century who put it forward.

    The point about your planning is that the Government will only publish the one plan, the others are held in private until needed, hence the 25 changes I mentioned.

    What part of the plan was when told we need mandotary quarantine for all arrivals, they decided to add a few and then add a few more leaving countries with higher rates off the list?


  • #46
    CDarby
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    Floppybits wrote: »
    Or will they admit they wanted to prove to the opposition that its not possible so we set it up badly as we could to prove the point.

    Rule 101.
    When being forced to perform a job or chore you absolutely do not want to have to do, you do it so unbelievably badly and with such incompetence that you'll immediately be stopped in your tracks, taken away from doing and never be asked to do it again.

    This is basic stuff.


  • #47
    Amirani
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    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gabysayshey/status/1382804255808102405?s=19

    I hate these sort of questions, it's lazy journalism. No person or politician anywhere on the planet can guarantee that Ireland (or anywhere else) won't have a lockdown next Winter.


  • #48
    skimpydoo
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    If we had MHQ for all countries, the EU would not be asking questions.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
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    skimpydoo wrote: »
    If we had MHQ for all countries, the EU would not be asking questions.

    Yep, their issue is with how we select the countries


  • #50
    skimpydoo
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yep, their issue is with how we select the countries
    That's why it was set up half arsed.


  • #51
    TheTruth21
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    https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1382958508669292544?s=19

    The FF/FG way


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