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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Just to be clear - you are saying she isn't Nigerian? And are calling people who disagree with this racist?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Insults, Insults, Insults.

    So a piece of paper then. Again why are you getting worked up?

    By your own logic, another kid born here after 2005 to non Irish parents is less Irish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's not logic. It's political analysis. Look at all the characteristics of USSR/Russia, China, cold war regimes - none of them have any of the characteristics of left wing governments. They may have had some roots in actual communist movements decades back, but they quickly dropped that kind of thinking in favour of totalitarianism. Have you read Animal Farm?

    Who in Ireland is calling for obliteration of Israel and supporting Putin's liberation and supporting China taking Taiwan please?

    You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that I'm a Shinner fan because I asked you for evidence of your claim. I'm a facts fan, not a Shinner fan. They'd have gotten a low preference from me in the recent elections. I'm not here defending the Shinners. I'm here pointing out that you made an allegation with zero evidence or support.

    SF were involved in some of the water charges marches. But you made a specific allegation about them being involved in intimidating workers, which is a big leap. Still no evidence of this, no?

    The Book of Kells was barricaded. The college authorities chose to close the entire college for a couple of days in an escalation response that mightily backfired on them, and led to them backing down shortly afterwards. So ONE college was temporarily closed by college authorities. The claim that 'colleges were closed' (plural) doesn't stand up.

    Yes, the self-evident point that it's not far left groups who burnt out our capital city seems to elude some people.

    Are you still playing the Jewish victim card here, with 33,000 people killed in Gaza?

    So the UK state under Blair for example, or the French state under Mitterrand were totalitarian, oppressive, anti-immigration and anti-diversity?



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    I can give you 2 off the top of my head.

    Members of the far left in black block clothing attack people on O'Connell Street. 2 of the attackers are in far left republican groups and most members here would consider themselves members of extreme mob group Antifa.You can't say they are concerned about 'de immigrant's at six seconds in the extreme left terrorist thug is squaring up to shouting racial slurs at an Asian looking Garda.

    At the speeches before these riots in Dublin very prominent members of People before profit were in attendance and even a newly elected far left councilor in North Dublin was in attendance. People before profit have been quite vocal in their support for the Blanchardstown riots that came about due to protests of the death of George Nkencho. Of course it's never pointed out to these people the garda who shot him probably saved the families life's as he was storming into the house in a very frenzied disturbed state with a massive knife. The irony of them protesting against a garda who very very likely saved several black people's life's that day.

    This may come as a huge surprise to you but left wing ideology has killed hundreds of millions of people. Extremist views on the left or right aren't good despite how biased and bigoted you may be to that reality that 'far left' and 'far right' are just two wings of the same bird. Mindless mobs being led by the blind on both instances.

    The sad thing is you think violence is probably OK provided it's done by someone on 'your side' the extreme far left it's scary how insane their thinking really is. They think unprovoked incredibly vicious violence is 'OK' or 'aceeptable' provided it's done to a 'Nazi' (Nazi to these people is anyone who disagrees with them on anything BTW)

    Well I'm sorry pal it's not. That violence is not OK. Political persuasion should not warp your mind so much. Violence is wrong period.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It wasn't far right groups who "burnt our capital" either. It was scumbag young fellas who saw an opportunity to wreck the place, the same type of scumbags that were supposedly Sinn Fein supporters when they ripped up O'Connell street during the Love Ulster parade years ago.

    Just because something bad happens doesn't mean the far right are to blame even if a few far right clowns decided to go around taking videos of the carnage on social media, I doesn't mean they had orchestrated it.

    The amount of credit given to the far rights organisational abilities in this country is bizarre.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    How many of the far right activitists incited the riot, literally calling their thug supporters into Dublin on that night?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The old trope of not real communism, not real socialism etc.

    Isn't it strang though how these movements and states always descend into the "not real" part and becomes States of unparalleled brutality and murder.

    To a degree it is the the many flaws and contradictions in the ideology but the main reason is the left attracts alot of very toxic control freaks, who are imbued with a. Religious certainty.

    The progressive activist of today was the Jesuits of yesteryear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    A handful.

    How many of the little scrotes involved in the actual criminal damage had any sort of political motivation at all?

    Odd that the far right can arrange mass riots at the drop of a hat but never translate that powerbase of theirs into votes come election day.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭csirl


    Since when were Tony Blair and Francois Mitterand far left? Mitterand was on the western side of the iron curtain and was opposed to the soviets! Neither advocated for Maxism, communism, natonal socialism or any other of the oppressive far left isms.

    Next you'll be telling us Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were communist dictators!

    You forget that a lot of us lived through this era of history and saw it first hand.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Work shy "known to Gardai" scumbags, any excuse to set fire to sh1t and loot. Probably never voted in their lives either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    I stand corrected Yes the articles do mention certain things but omit many others.

    For example the articles don't mention the mob outside the eurospar screaming 'we hope you die' and 'white bastards' why not? It would be 100% mentioned if the roles were reversed as we both know. White folk screaming we hope you die to black people barricaded into a shop? Media would never let it go. Because it's racism against white folk the media doesn't even bother reporting on it actually happening such is their bias in these matters.

    The articles don't also mention the poor fella beaten up outside the circle K or the van driving man who had his door opened and threatened in a very aggressive and very frightening way.

    The media was VERY selective and VERY coy with the reporting on these stories. Very general gist is all they gave with little to no detail nor reporting on what actually happened. Like I said it be very very very different if the roles were reversed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭iwasliedto


    The "far right" will not be reined in unless they threaten the existing ruling structure. At the moment the ruling parties are happy enough to let them run as they are doing no damage to FF/FG/Greens/Labour. These new right wing movements target SF and other left wing organizations and pull votes from them or sow the idea that the left is part of the problem and has deserted those who are marginalised. Part of the outcome of this is disillusionment with politicians will be confusion or the idea that voting changes nothing and again the areas that where this impacts are working class and more marginalised people. If the government thought for even a nano second that these guys were have an impact on the governments votes or position they would be crushed. `Like all right wing movements everywhere they ultimately split the disenfranchised and serve the interest of the establishment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    She's Nigerian-Irish, she's got Nigerian heritage but she's very much so Irish. In the same way as first generation Irish-Americans were Americans. If people are disputing that she's Irish, yep I'd absolutely say racism plays a part in that view. And based on the remarks I've seen about her, the vocal people claiming she's not Irish absolutely are racist...



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    One of the huge problems with the extreme left in all of this is their incredible belief that it's actually OK to assault or attack anyone you deem a 'nazi' this is a very prominent belief of the far and extreme left. It's actually unbelievable how ignorant and hypocritical these people are but these are the people who wear the 'It's ok to punch a nazi t shirts' and other incredibly hate filled intolerant crap as these people label anyone of conservative opinion a 'nazi' and most label anyone 'a nazi' who disagrees with them in anyway. Could you imagine the 'far right' going around with It's OK to punch a immigrant t shirts? Just one word has changed.

    It's extreme ignorance on both sides but very bizarrely extreme hatred and extreme ignorance seems to be tolerated on the left side provided you label the victim of attacks etc as 'nazis'

    There is no difference with these freaks attacking people calling them nazi and the other 'far right' freaks attacking people calling them 'paedos' It's justifying violence and assaults out of ignorance.

    Both groups are incredibly ignorant ill educated people with little or nothing going for them in life. Group think and mob mentality is all they have and without their 'cause' they are nothing as usually there is very very little going on in their life's. Both sides spend their days 'fighting the man' and their and being led and said by people slightly smarter than them that can use them for their own gain.

    This might come as a surprise to some but it's not OK to punch anyone no matter what you label them that's assault that can lead to death. It's kind of sad as a society we won't tolerate it from the far right and rightly so but so some bizarre reason it seems to be tolerated by the far and extreme left.

    Punch a nazi? No thanks. In a civilized world no one gets punched no matter what someone else labels them as to justify their hatred and assaults. Unfortunately the civilized World isn't so civil.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Where did you learn about what happened outside the Eurospar?

    Be careful you don't get knocked down by those fast moving goalposts you're shifting there. You made a claim about "every strong left wing State" and when I disproved that, you shift the goalposts to 'far left'.

    I lived through that era too and I saw it first hand. I saw that the supposed 'communist' states in USSR, China and eastern Europe had SFA to do with actual communism.

    Oh 'just' a handful - funny how you forgot to mention that in your denial. The thugs didn't seem short of far right anti immigration slogans as they were burning out our capital.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Sorry what is that video suppossed to be evidence of exactly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭csirl


    It just so happens that all communist states, regardless of where in the world, were oppressive. Can you point to a communist state that wasnt oppressive?

    Communism by its nature suppresses individual needs in favour of collective needs - this invariably leads to a degrading of individual freedoms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    This post is rambling nonsense.

    What is my kind exactly there pal?



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    Well the video has it from 4 minutes in if you listen to the audio you can hear people screaming 'we hope you die' and 'white bastards'


    A fella from the area who was in the carpark at the time also told me the very quick thinking staff seen the mob marauding toward the shop with intent and they pulled the shutters down quickly and thank God they did. No one would have stopped a mob that frenzied and would. I shudder to think what they would have done to the elderly people in the shop that day as they were frenzied and livid in equal measure.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Oh when its a far right protest they are little scrotes not politically aligned. When it was water charges they are all PBP organised far left agitators.

    Come on Nullzero at least be consistent.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,309 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    If tents started appearing in Herbert Park, the Sandymount and Merrion residents association would turn in to the local Volkssturm pdq ;-) , if you are in working class areas you tend to get to experience the heat of decisions made from outside the areas much quicker.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    No, I can't - can you point to a 'communist' state that was actually communist?



  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    The post explains quite clearly what the videos actually are.

    You assume their is no violence and mobs on the left. I'm telling you there are. It's incredibly delusional to think their isn't.

    I personally think the far left mobs can be more dangerous as they are so devoid of any logic at all. Take for example Black life's matter rioters killing a black police man David Dorn.

    Where is the logic or the sense in that? Zero but the extreme left they justify his disgusting murder as he was a cop. God forbid anyone ever tries to stop the extreme left mobs from looting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Remind me again, what area of Dublin did the tents appear in?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Why would I deflect?? I have no sympathies with anyone calling for extermination of any peoples



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,309 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I saw a couple for 1 day on Sandymount Strand and there were a couple up in Donnybrook but again they were moved same day. the council knows where their bread is buttered ;-) Mount St and the Grand Canal isnt really residential or is D4 proper but all the barriers are a loser response to the issue, scarlet for them

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The Mount St residents association were all over the media when the tents were on Mount St. Their response didn't involve any 'local Volkssturm pdq' style of responses.

    So just to sumarise, the extent of your concerns about far left responses in Ireland in the last decade or so extends to;

    • One incident involving a visiting group of far right thugs on the Luas
    • The response of the local community following the shooting of a young man.

    That's it. That's all you got, by comparison say to the burning out of our capital city and year long campaigns of intimidation of library staff.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,453 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Back on topic please, thread is very far off topic at this stage



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