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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes & Discussion

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    #1082
    belfast stephen
    Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭belfast stephen


    i did notice there if you put just belfast into the destination you get Dublin express 785 but if you put belfast opposite Europa bus station you get Aircoach



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    #1083
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach Route 702 provisional changes from Sunday 30th June.

    With effect from Sunday 30th June, the Aircoach route 702 between Greystones and Dublin Airport will be provisionally undergoing major changes in it's route and enhancements to timetables.

    The service will operate 24 hours a day with 24 departures each day from Greystones (Hawkins Wood) and 23 departures a day from Dublin Airport T1.

    This is expected to result in the withdrawal of route 703 from the same date.

    The new route will be as follows:

    • Greystones (Hawkins Wood)
    • Greystones (Charlesland)
    • Greystones (Station)
    • Greystones (Redford Park)
    • County Wicklow (Briar Wood)
    • Bray (St Cronan's Road)
    • Shankill (Stonebridge Close)
    • Loughlinstown (St Columcille's Hospital)
    • Dalkey (Hyde Road)
    • Glasthule (St Joseph's Church)
    • Dun Laoghaire (Station)
    • Monkstown Road
    • Blackrock (Frascati SC)
    • Booterstown (Station)
    • Booterstown (Bellevue Avenue)
    • North Wall (The Point)
    • Dublin Airport T2
    • Dublin Airport T1

    Journey times while longer, do now appear to be a more accurate reflection of traffic conditions throughout the day. This does mean end to end journey times can range from 1 hour 40 minutes in the early hours to as high as 2 hours 45 minutes in evening pea. Most of the extra running time is mostly given on the Booterstown to North Wall section, which ranges from 20 minutes off -peak to close to an hour in evening peak.

    Details on other changes to the network = will follow as soon as I am able to verify them.

    Note that the above are provisional on union agreement.

    Post edited by devnull on


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    #1084
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265408#Comment_122265408

    It's worth noting as well that where both show up Dublin Express seriously undercuts Aircoach on price.

    Aircoach doesn't seem to appear for all the Dublin area they service, but Dublin Express does,

    Looks like another schooling commercially.



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    #1085
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265411#Comment_122265411

    Just checked the TFI planner and can see this.

    Another example for the 702 is during morning peak giving it 50 minutes + to run Greystones to bray. While during school term this is warranted sometimes due to services often running 30+ late through Bray, it's definitely not needed when the schools are off. There'll be alot of idle time on the run there for example.

    The 8am from Greystones used to hit bray around 8.30, that'll now leave at 07.20 from Greystones

    TFI map also still has the service going through ballsbridge to city centre and up the quays, presume this isn't accurate



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    #1086
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    See timetable attached as PDF

    Greystones Aircoach 702 from 30th June.pdf

    As I said, health warning on this, depends on union agreement, but this is in-line with the submissions that the company have made to the NTA recently and thus should start appearing on all places that sync NTA date imminently.



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    #1087
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265411#Comment_122265411

    As I assumed, it will do the 703 routing between DL and Dalkey, then go via Sallynoggin Roundabout and Wyattville Road to get to the N11

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    IMO they should have added a stop by the Graduate Pub/Killiney Shopping centre as part of the route change, but I can understand why they aren't. This route change only utilises stops already approved by the NTA.



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    #1088
    patrickbrophy18
    Registered Users Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    To say this change has been poorly communicated with passengers from both routes would be a massive understatement especially, given how near the date is.



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    #1089
    Highlighter75
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭Highlighter75


    It was a shame when Aircoach reduced the overnight frequency.



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    #1090
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122266336#Comment_122266336

    Do you really expect them to announce it before it is certain? It's still subject to union approval last i heard. There are agreed procedures with SIPTU that have to be followed. Hence why I used word provisional.



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    #1091
    easyvision
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭easyvision


    Definitely could do with 2/3 stops between Cherrywood and Dalkey. A lot of customers live between these 2 pickup points - all residential. Hopefully they add in time



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    #1092
    patrickbrophy18
    Registered Users Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122266860#Comment_122266860

    The Graduate is an obvious one which should be served and possibly one in the vicinity of Killiney Towers Roundabout.



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    #1093
    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,411 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    That new 702 route will completely cut out people in the N11 corridor between Cherrywood and Stillorgan. It will leave them with no service to the airport for early bird flights.



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    #1094
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    There are other potential changes to come to the network.



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    #1095
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,681 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122269213#Comment_122269213

    I would suggest that you go back a page or two.

    There are multiple changes in the pipeline.



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    #1096
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    They'll defiantly need to tweek the running times for the runs in the morning anyway on the 702 just based on today alone.

    For example, 8am from Greystones reached Supervalu Bray @ 08:29 , it's replacement service from 30th June leaves at 07:20 from Greystones and reaches Supervalu @ 08:30 , 1hr and 10 mins run time for what currently takes 30 mins.

    As I mentioned yesterday, during term time for primary & secondary schools the current run time can cause issues with the service taking 30mins + to clear through Bray so the new run time allows for this.

    Given they can't leave the stop before time there's going to be alot of people taking issue with the dwell time on some departures during the summer months for example.



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    #1097
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Email just sent by Aircoach

    Dear Customer

    We have exciting news for you! We’re delighted to announce a major expansion of our Dublin and Greystones routes, launching on June 30th and available for prebooking on June 18th!

    Our improved route network includes:

    65 additional daily services to and from Dublin airport

    15-minute frequency through Dublin City Centre

    An hourly service on our Greystones route (702)

    New stops in key areas to provide essential connectivity to and from Dublin Airport including:

    - Cherrywood Business Park (route 700, every 30 mins)
    - Merrion Square (route 701, every 30 mins)
    - Loughlinstown Hospital (route 702, hourly)
    - Pearse Station to airport (route 701, every 30 mins)
    - Greystones, Hawkins Wood (route 702, hourly)


    Our route configurations have changed so please make sure you check www.aircoach.ie for full route and timetable information.

    Meanwhile, here is a summary of what our updated routes look like:

    700: Dublin Airport – City Centre – Donnybrook – UCD – Stillorgan – Sandyford – Leopardstown – Foxrock – Cabinteely – Cherrywood.

    701: Dublin Airport – City Centre – Ballsbridge – RDS – St Vincent’s Hospital.

    702: Dublin Airport – 3Arena – Booterstown – Monkstown – Dun Laoghaire – Dalkey – Bray – Greystones.

    With this expansion launching just in time for your summer holiday travels, you can relax knowing your stress-free travel to/from Dublin Airport is sorted.

    Prebook your tickets from June 18th at www.aircoach.ie or on our Aircoach app for travel from June 30th onwards.

    If you have made a booking to travel with us on our existing 700/702/703 routes from and including 30th June, don’t worry, we will re-schedule you onto the nearest service for travel and you will receive a new ticket. We strongly recommend you check the details of your new departure time to ensure it is suitable.

    If you have any issues, please contact our customer service team at www.aircoach.ie/help/contact-us.

    We can’t wait to see you onboard!



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    #1098
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    What type of buses are Aircoach going to use on the 700 route to Cherrywood from the 30th of June?

    I would assume the double deck buses planned to be used on the route are coming in the pipeline very soon.



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    #1099
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122270811#Comment_122270811

    Seems they sent out the email a bit early, the website doesn't have the changes available yet (although a route info page with placeholder info for the 701 is viewable). Changes for all routes also aren't in the TFI system just yet.



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    #1100
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122270895#Comment_122270895

    It will be existing fleet, at least initially. There is enough vehicles there to do it.

    You have to remember that there has been a handful of vehicles freed up by the cancellation of the Galway service and around another three freed up by the cancellation of the 703.

    Then the 700 is actually being cut from up to every 15 minutes to every 30 minutes so the extension to that route is likely to require a similar number of vehicles as it is using now as any increase in route length if offset by the frequency cut.

    The 701 will provide half an hour frequency through the city centre when interworked with the 700, but overall it is a pretty short route so the PVR isn't going to be that high.



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    #1101
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122270989#Comment_122270989

    I also note the fares have been removed from the website.

    To be fair the email does say they will be available to book from tomorrow, which is better than most recent announcements from Aircoach where they've sent an email out to people saying something was live now when it wasn't, but agree that they do point out that the website has the info, when it doesn't.



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    #1102
    p_haugh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Had a look there out of interest - they have now updated the website with the changes (The 701 still isnt visible in the timetables section but the URL is live). TFI data not updated yet, other than for the 702.

    Route 700:

    https://www.aircoach.ie/timetables/700?date=2024-06-30

    Route 701:

    https://www.aircoach.ie/timetables/701



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    #1103
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    2hr run time for the 700 on peak hours from Cherrywood to the airport



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    #1104
    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,411 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    It would appear that the text at the top of the Aircoach 700 service page which mentions 'our 700 service which operates up to every 15 minutes' is not applicable to the new timetable from June 30th. I checked the departure times for Mon-Fri and Sat+Sun both ways and there is no period of the day when successive services are 15 minutes apart.

    With the exceptions noted below, there will be a 700 service departure every 30 minutes Mon-Fri in both directions all day from June 30th. The Sat+Sun timetable doesn't appear to have any major variations. But as this is all subject to change, check the current timetable.

    Inbound, the new 700 service will go from the N11 to the Clayton and then follow the original 700 route back to the N11 via Stillorgan. The Galloping Green stop is still listed so it looks like the route to the Clayton from the N11 is via Brewery Road and not Leopardstown Road i.e. the 700 will not turn left at White's Cross.

    For people who previously used the Greystones (702) service from the N11 corridor, the journey time from your stop to the airport will increase by 22 minutes.

    ========== Mon-Fri =========

    No departure from the airport between 02:25 and 04:25. First departure from Cherrywood will be at 01:30. From 19:00, departures from Cherrywood will be on the hour to (last departure) 23:00. So no departures from Cherrywood between 23:00 and 01:30.

    Post edited by coylemj on


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    #1105
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,681 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122273358#Comment_122273358

    They just haven’t updated that header yet.

    As already explained in this thread, the 700 is being split and a new route 701 being set up to/from St Vincent’s Hospital, both operating at a 30-minute frequency.

    When you combine the new route 700 and new route 701 they will deliver a 15-minute frequency through the city centre where it is most needed.

    That will inevitably mean a lower frequency to/from stops along the Stillorgan Road out to Cherrywood, but a service every 30 mins is probably reasonable enough to meet demand.

    The periods of no departures in either direction coincides with times when it’s unlikely there will be any demand for services to/from the airport.



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    #1106
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,681 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122270165#Comment_122270165

    There are different weekday and weekend running times - they should really use the weekend times for July & August all week.



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    #1107
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122273437#Comment_122273437

    Yup 100%

    As I mentioned yesterday the new 702 gives 1hr 10 mins Greystones to bray at 7.20am Monday to Friday, probably needed during term time, definitely not needed in the summer. Current 702 does it in 30 mins

    Weekend runtimes would be much more realistic for July & August when applied to weekday



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    #1108
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    There is talk on Social Media of price rises to many fares for both walk up and online fares.

    Whilst it's possible to check the online prices using the booking engine, the company has totally removed their fares section on the website overnight so not able to say what walk up fares are.

    I hope it will return and they don't follow the UK Bus approach where on bus single and return fares are treated as state secrets that are never published.



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    #1109
    Rock Steady Edy
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    A 3 hour run time at 7.20am from Greystones is not going to attract anyone

    Why is an hour allowed for between Booterstown and the 3Arena for a couple of in-bound mid-afternoon journeys while most of the time it's 15 mins?

    Post edited by Rock Steady Edy on


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    #1110
    alentejo
    Registered Users Posts: 898 ✭✭✭alentejo


    All these premium express buses to the airport aren't really express anymore!



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    #1111
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122274946#Comment_122274946

    Funnily enough around 50 minutes from Booterstown and the Three Arena isn't that uncommon at that particular time. I've seen the 702 going past The Point quite a few times not long before 6.00pm and that service itself was due to be at Booterstown an hour earlier.

    Last Thursday for instance, it took 55 minutes, but granted some days it flies through there by comparison. I guess they are both allowing for delays which do happen as we can see last Thursday as well as deliberately padding the schedule a little bit before the last stop as is common in train and bus schedules to airports world over to make sure any delays earlier in the route are caught up and the bus doesn't arrive 'late' at the airport.

    But at the same time, the current timetable is not perfect either in that the running time isn't sufficient at peak time. Often transport companies can't win with this since people don't like low journey times and poor punctuality, but also don't like good punctuality if it comes at the cost of longer journeys. Don't get me wrong there is 5-10 minutes too much padding in places though and as has been pointed out upthread, school holidays and non school holidays are different beasts too. So there's certainly room for improvement.



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