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Eamon Ryan resigns before the General Election.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,363 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There's a simple reason there's so much hatred for the greens.

    The general manifesto for the likes of FF, FG, SF, etc. is 'what you want, and more of it.'

    The general manifesto for the GP is 'whoa, let's stop and think about this for a bit' and the response from many is 'who the **** are you to tell me how to live my life?'



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    People shouldn't bad mouth the Greens here. The Greens were always socialist Eco Warriors who manage to keep a suit on on a daily basis. They should bad mouth FG/FF for giving the Greens the keys to drive us into a wall. They have done the political equivalent of glueing themselves to an airport runway and it has baffled me, the amount of votes they got in the locals/EU.

    This is proof that we have literally zero alternative outside of independents.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Or maybe proof that some people can actually see that our climate crisis is real?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,363 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Oh really? Why isn't there mass hysteria from the general public? If there is truly a crisis, we might as well quit our jobs and spend time with family instead.

    Why are the EU (the entity that shove climate nonsense down our throats the most) putting exorbitant duties on Chinese EV imports? Don't we want to flood the continent with cheap EVs. Nothing makes sense in the "Green" world.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,064 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Step forward Catherine Martin Minister for Tourism.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,694 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I have to say, there’s more than a grain of truth there- it’s been VERY convenient for FF and FG to allow the Green Party take the brunt of the climate change challenges - if they took this on themselves as a party (which they are legally obliged to do as a government) , they might find that their poll ratings aren’t so high as they were in the recent election.

    I’ve been a strong critic of the Greens as all they have known in the past is Tax Tax Tax- we need creative solutions because the climate challenge isn’t going away and countries are obliged to act.

    We also need to be responsible as citizens too - I recognise that and we’re probably not where we need to be- but government needs to take this challenge on as one team - it can’t be outsourced to a fall guy Green Party.

    I didn’t think Ryan was great as a leader but I’m not expecting any better from that party- politically he probably had to go but we need parties like the greens in government - otherwise we’ll be left with a whole other pack of bat sh1t crazies to choose from. Greens are by far my preference over those.

    Hopefully Labour will emerge as a strong party in the next election- guaranteed they’ll get the environment portfolio 🤪



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,975 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It may be real, it may not be real. It may be anthropomorphic, it may not be anthropomorphic. It may be a mix of natural eons long cycles and human activity, in any ratio you care to speculate.

    But the real problem is, governments with green influence, and the EU and UN, are trying to foist the cost on the largest cohort, who contribute to climate influence behaviour the least and certainly can afford to bear that additional cost the least.

    And that is simply not going to work.

    The Irish government, in particular, should be using its considerable fiscal heft, to be transforming infrastructure in a global leading project, from the top down, not adding carbon taxes from the bottom up.

    And the pattern of returns for the Greens in the local and European elections shows that is a keenly felt and hugely angered position in middle Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭StormForce13


    Care to remind us how much "thinking for a bit" the Irish Greens (and, in particular, the Minister for Energy) did about nuclear energy?

    A three word response will suffice - the first word is "sweet" and the third is "all".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why isn't there mass hysteria?

    Because 'some people' does not equal 'all the people'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    We have a housing crisis as well, do you expect mass hysteria over that?

    Plus a lot of people are more than happy to deny the climate has changed at all and think it will all just sort itself out



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No party in Ireland, in government or in opposition are looking at nuclear

    No county in Ireland or town in Ireland will ever approve a nuclear plant in it

    Those are bigger issues than rambling about the Green Party and nuclear. The population of Ireland don't want it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Probably the right time for Eamon Ryan to go, the party could do with a change of leadership and get back to basics with their policies ahead of the next GE.

    I never understood this bizarre online hatred for Eamon and the GP in general.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,363 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'we want people in general to consume less' is not a popular opinion to express.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,634 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Loss of the MEPs was the final nail in his political career.

    Unsustainable and entirely predictable that his position was untenable.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,363 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    they should re-elect him as leader, recycling is good for the environment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 779 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    The problem isn't the Green Party. The problem is the general publics push back on Green Policies. It's happening worldwide and its a shame. The risks of climate change are very real but lets kick the bucket down the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭topcat72


    Ryan is such an odd figure in one sense - could the Greens have had a better leader? Probably - and perhaps Catherine Martin might have done a better job. Or Ciarán Cuffe if he was a TD. The optics of him snoozing in the Dáil did him no favours. He has something of the absent minded professor about him, or perhaps an elderly retiree gardener type.

    Was he effective enough as a communicator of ideas in the cesspit of social media and news? He's possibly not. The Greens are stuck in the same role Labour and the PD'S had before them, as minor party whipping boys.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    How will we cope with him gone....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,694 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Yes we do need to take more responsibility as citizens - but there’s only so many “tax this tax that” policies that we can take and that’s essentially been the cut and thrust of Green policies in Ireland for the last 20+ years- it’s a broken record - we need better policies and better more creative thinking - we need better tax incentives and ideas on how to change peoples behaviour - the plastic bottle tax while a pain, at least allows you to get your money back - that was somewhat creative - we need more and better ideas - the average citizen can’t afford continuous taxes and charges and simply won’t elect candidates or parties that advocate that



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,694 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Ah don’t worry -we can still slag off Mary Lou in the SF thread



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    There are very vocal lobbies that oppose the Green Party, plus many very loud voices on social media shouting at them.

    They are mainly the motor lobby and the farming lobby. Most of the opposition comes from 'rural Ireland' wherever that is.

    The Greens are for public transport have introduced a lot for rural areas, but that appears to be ignored.

    The sudden increase in fertilizer cost due to the Ukraine war has caused a significant reduction in its use, but the Green Party still get the blame for any required reduction in nitrogen use. Rewetting of bogs is another issue that they get blame for, but now it is EU law.

    The PT is mostly held up by ABP, and the Gov are not able to hurry them along. Then there are judicial revues, just to stop the whole process entirely. Blackrock Clinic are opposed to the Busconnects because they will lose a few carparking spaces.

    We are in the middle of the hottest year worldwide ever, with raging fires and raging floods and droughts like never before. Climate change is not on its way, it is here now, and getting worse.

    You could not make it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45 FCTwenteBenson


    I cant speak for pushback against green policies in other countries, but green policy here seems to be solely focused on tax amd taxing a population who are already feeling the cost these days. So I would argue that the problem is the Green Party, especially when policy seems to be tax led, its very much stick not carrot from them. The dogs on the street know that we need green policies and efforts to contain/reverse climate change etc. but the thinking and policy surrounding that needs to also change and get much more creative rather than just another tax.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,363 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what new taxes have been introduced since the GP became a coalition partner, as a result of their policies and their policies alone?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Metrolink is not tax led, it is a project needed to reduce car use, allow higher density housing, and faster travel for commuters. That is a Green project but it is held up by severe opposition by NIMBY concerns.

    The Carbon Tax is ring fenced to provide reduction in energy consumption by for example insulating homes and installation of domestic PV panels.

    The EV cars are expensive because they carry a subsidy that is pocketed by the motor industry, made worse by supply problems.

    The GP are not responsible for other taxes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I remember I asked another poster on a different green (small-g) thread if he was doing things like making his own clothes etc. He was appalled.

    There is no voluntary low-consumption movement of people living a very modest low energy lifestyle, setting an example, in general.

    Instead you get a political movement harassing other people, dismantling other people's way of life including e.g. restricting farmers on the other side of the country all the way from the Green base of wealthy high-consumption people in South Dublin.

    Green (big-G) politics are purely negativist, 100% a response to catastrophising and in effect wholly about impinging on people with rules laid down by a centralised government.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    I for one am glad to see the back of him - Hes a complete idiot.

    This is exactly whats wrong with the green agenda - Tax the feck out of anything thats not green.

    Their new leader will need to be a bit more open about some green policies - for example from 2030 I wont be able to fit a gas or oil boiler to my home - They want to retrofit air to water etc - This would probably cost in the region of 80-100k for my 1970s built house.

    They wont even engage with the nuclear discussion.

    Theyve cut grants for solar installs - cant really get much more green that using solar to be honest.

    They need to make some changes or next election they`ll find they`ll have no TDs never mind MEPs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/housing-grants-and-schemes/grants-for-home-renovations-and-improvements/warmer-homes-scheme/

    Greens getting this through has been huge, and has meant thousands of folk can now retrofit their home for free. Things like the Carbon tax have made this possible.



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