Is this the Ireland we live in now?

…and to answer your question, by not providing needs, this significantly increases the likelihood of dysfunctional outcomes including long term unemployment, criminal outcomes, mental health issues, addiction problems, serious long term health issues, both physically and mentally, which in turn causes great strain on our health system, and who pays for all of that!

…probably no point in asking, such folk can rarely step into others shoes, theyre simply too self centered and ignorant to do so….

So then why do we have asylum seekers? They must transit through other safe countries to get here. It must be attractive to do so, no?

I see your point and agree with what you are saying, but what additional supports should the govt be giving to the long term low income/unemployed?

We already have the bizarre situation where an unemployed couple with 2 kids and living in Dublin with the state paying their rent are drawing in more cash than a couple on average salaries with 2 kids.

I appreciate not all supports are financial and we always need to do more to help people in need. But what shape does that additional support take?

…theres clearly something fundamentally wrong in regards long term unemployment, i mix a lot with such folks, virtually all show signs of complex psychological issues, some of the most common i come across show signs of well known disorders including asd, bi-polar, adhd, personality disorders, learning disabilities etc etc, ive had many a conversation with experienced health workers including therapists etc, all confirming this is exactly whats going on, i.e. our critical processes and systems failing to recognize such issues, and doing anything about them! i.e. start assessing folks on welfare pronto, our face bigger, more complex, therefore more expensive problems down the road!

yes, for some on welfare, work simply doesnt pay, so wheres the problem, with welfare or with employment!

Perhaps more than a little of an off topic rant here but: Its just whingeing for the most part tbh, socioeconomic this, underprivileged background etc.

I come from exactly that background, I have family members on the dole years, feeling sorry for themselves etc. "Sure what can I do, if only there were more supports".

The difference was, I actually saw and took advantage of said supports, became first the first member of my family to get a degree and then a masters degree and earn a good living now.

I still have the same accent, went to the same schools, you can tell where I'm from by speaking to me. But I didn't spend my time drowning in self pity or substances waiting for yet more "supports" to pull me up. There's no need, the supports are there and plentiful, very generous actually.

It really annoys me tbh to see the default of asking for more supports aka more money to throw at people who won't help themselves.

But it's like a ring buoy or a rope ladder: You're going to have to reach out and grab the bloody thing yourself.

So how much money, how much hand holding through life would you propose for someone who has never shown any proclivity to taking steps to help themselves?

I would say you could guess my answer.

So whatever way you dress it up, it's more money. And someone else, well preferably everyone else will pay for it.

And the plans to repay this societal investment via generating taxes? Or did we not get that far ahead?

It becomes fairly obvious that some people are like bad businesses; you can keep ploughing money and resources into them if you want, but it's never going anywhere, probably better off to cut your losses and run.

If the welfare system was so bad then illegals wouldn't come here in the first place.

That and the Government is so slow in dealing with their case and almost no enforced deportations.

What do you think online videos of foreign people getting the shite beat outta them by a bunch of thugs does for tourism?

Or the videos where black people are being secretly recorded as they go about their business in our capital city, seemingly to show Dublin as a 'dumping ground' by some 'citizen journalist'.

Fair enough

But it doesn’t not happen - here’s an article from yesterday of a gentleman that ignored a deportation order and was then arrested for trying to abduct a child

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2024/0617/1455228-man-charged-over-alleged-child-abduction-in-co-fermanagh/

I don't think anyone really thought there had been an attempted abduction.

Looking at the video it was quite clearly nothing but another blatant racist attack.

Only a few of the usual 'what far-right?' accounts here suggesting otherwise.

does anyone have any idea who he is? i mean he may not want to go to the police. he must be in some serious shock now, it's just so shocking.

The lack of media coverage of this repulsive attack is depressing.

Are we close to accepting violent racist attacks as normal?

And Why is it taking so long to arrest those involved, their identities are clearly visible?

And Why is it taking so long to arrest those involved, their identities are clearly visible?

Because this is the problem. No arrests made in an incident carried out in the capital's city centre where there's cctv and we have the smartphone footage as well. This is appalling policing. They should have been nabbed within an hour of this happening.