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Eamon Ryan announces he is stepping down as Green Party Leader

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,271 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am not the biggest fan of cycle lanes, but I have to admit, where the proper cycling lane infrastructure is put in place, the number of cyclists increases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    If they are anyways bothered about being green they'd be banning the likes of glyphosate and coming up with, while annoying, low cost solutions instead of driving everyone into poverty.

    I always thought if they were so bothered about cars for example they could mandate people are only licenced to drive a 1 litre petrol unless they can show stronger need, like tradesmen or families over x amount of kids. It would be a damn site better having the option of a 2nd hand Yaris than HAVING to try and come up with the price of a new electric car.

    Even things such as mandating homeowners can only cut the lawn in September and have to let lawns be habitats, while ensuring fines for anyone trying to gravel or concrete over the lawns out of spite gets massive fines. Like the councils with public areas or farmers in green schemes.

    Something effective not just tax, tax tax.

    Look at EU level, renewed Mosantos license for glyphosate for 10 years cause you know well green is for the little guys to pay.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I agree. When they're put in with actually some though like in Blackrock or Wyattville Road in South Dublin they're a benefit everyone, motorists included. Here you got segregated lanes so you don't end up playing leap frog with cyclist when you're driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,271 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There are no low cost solutions to going green, that is the issue that so many refuse to face. We have exploited the planet cheaply, fixing it costs money, doing thing sustainably costs money.

    Everyone will have to pay more for ordinary stuff, living standards will level out.

    On a much broader perspective, if the planet is to be fixed in an equal and fair manner over the next 100 years, living standards will have to fall in Ireland to allow the poorer parts of the world to catch up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    This is not good news.

    One can debate his policies and disagree all you want, but this is (yet) another politician stepping down while quoting "vile attacks" and "divisive politics" as reasons.

    There do seem to be an awful of TDs stepping away. It seems like the job is not getting any easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,761 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    You'd think so but I've seen a number of large scale cycling infrastructure projects around over the last few years and the result after millions of euro spent is narrower traffic lanes resulting in greater build up of traffic and more pollution. The cyclists haven't materialised mostly because people who were driving prior to the new road layouts still need to drive now, mainly because public transport is still rubbish.

    The fact that most of these routes are not going into the city makes things worse, sections of random roads in the suburbs are "upgraded" that lead back to roads with little to no cycling infrastructure, usually the busier routes with the most cyclists.

    It's the stupid approach that annoys people, not the fact that cycling infrastructure is being built.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Most of the policies don't seem very green,, these wind farms are a joke,, materials and the maintenance going into them, investing in a technology that's not there yet, nuclear is the green option,battery cars etc,,if they were worried about the planet it would be keep existing cars running for as long as possible, not make them disposable,,birth control is the most effective way to slow the increase in the use of worlds resources, but that wouldn't suit their pension plans ,, alot of their "policies" are populist/ self serving and don't stand up to scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,052 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I know your post is well-intentioned as an example of some alternatives but the 2 examples you cite are as bad if not worse than what is currently on the table.

    Limiting people to 1L cars unless they can prove to the State that they need/deserve to drive a bigger/better one (no doubt at even higher premiums/tax rates than they cost now) and trying to tell people when they can mow their garden and that they must leave it as a wild unkept forest for flies, bugs and what not on their doorstep is frankly socialist overreach fantasy.

    It's even more unpallatable when all this is meaningless on a global scale. Ireland is a country of 5 million people - less than many major cities. This notion peddled by the Greens that we must prostrate ourselves on the altar of environmentalism to save the planet or lead the way is ideological nonsense. We're neither that important nor influential and so long as the big global players (at country and company levels) can do pretty much whatever they want, very little will change.

    The way we'll get out of this "crisis" (quotation marks very much intentional!) is through technological advancement, and I don't mean forcing everyone into 50/60k electric cars which are just as bad if not worse in their own way for the planet. Cleaner industry, manufacturing improvements, more efficiencies etc - not taxing the end user into oblivion while berating them at how the planet will burn if they don't just suck it up and pay up or live like peasants.

    The sooner the rest of Ryan's party join him in their rightful place of political irrelevency the better.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Nordner


    Dlighted that Ryan is resigning. The Green Party are a shambles.

    Welcoming in foreign corporations to exploit our 'green' energy sector while heaping carbon taxes, solid fuel bans, useless heat pumps and expensive retro fits on ordinary people who are already struggling.

    They had a chance at a Fair Transition but they totally lost it. They could have introduced some Public Private Partnership schemes to allow citizens invest in Green Energy projects and have a share and a stake in things. But, no, everything is geared towards private sector companies, foreign utility giants and pension funds to make a killing out of it all. No doubt plenty councillors and T.D's with the inside track pocketing dividends too.

    Champagne Climate activists the lot of them!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Nothing wrong with carbon tax, it's a tax you can easily avoid. I pay hardly any for example because I drive an electric car and a lot of my electricity is solar PV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Perhaps if he didn’t lie to and gaslight (hahahaha) the population he would not be hated as much? Just a thought

    Over in parallel thread we are trying hard to figure out how much his 37GW of offshore wind by 2050 will cost the population of this country, so far even the most silly estimates are multiples of NAMA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    He's no loss to the Greens. Either would Martin or ROG.

    Grace O'Sollivan would be an ideal candidate to replace him. A calming voice who spoke some common sense in the lead up to the EU Elections, unfortunately she paid the price for the errors of the aforementioned trio above.

    In essence, i think the majority of our popluation are happy to buy in to realistic targets, aims with regards our environment (Like who doesn't have a green bin for example)

    They were poor communicators, with some ill thought out ideas and i found they also spoke in a condascending manner.

    They'll take their medicine come GE time but if they have the cop on, they should re-group and see how they can do things better and get the buy in of people outside of those hypocritical suburbanites who always give them their number 1 vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    You can avoid paying it by paying loads of money for other things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Well, of course he’ll say that, it does sound better than “I don’t want to oversee our annihilation in the General election”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    ”Welcoming in foreign corporations to exploit our 'green' energy sector”

    Amazon is threatening to pull out of irleand because them and other tech companies can’t connect datacenter to said “green” grid for to ban by Eamon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I see Hazel Chu being mooted as a potential replacement

    God help them if that’s their choice

    She’s much more interested in race baiting and toxic divisive politics than she is in the environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    "if they were worried about the planet it would be keep existing cars running for as long as possible"

    And perhaps, offer a gov subsidized conversion to EV from existing petrol/Diesel stock. Some show on de TV a while back about this in FRANCE. I think the gov there has selected particular garages to do this:

    I have an NC 08 MX5, would jump at it :D .. But as per video below from 2021, still very expensive then, but like everything else prices do drop over time. I still reckon conversion of existing ICE cars is a way to go about things and more affordable too.

    Have a look at about 4 mins 30 secs in to see how neat this is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZws7kE3U5k&t=1s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just curious but by what measure has the country been left in a financial mess? Ireland is more financially stable than it has ever been and has some of the healthiest balance sheets in the world right now. So what do you base this on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    She'd be a worse choice than ROG………….let that sink in for a minute



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,926 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I'm most píssed off about the cap being tethered to my carton of milk! Damn you Ryan. Damn you all!!

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Dp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,684 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    any chance you could tell me where the "10km segregated from main road and well paved wide cycle path " that you never saw a cyclist on is? as someone who is boring enough to keep up with good cycle path and their existence all over ireland i'd love to know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    This is satire I guess?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yet Ireland experienced phenomenal growth during their tenure. So any anti growth policy they may have had has been wholly ineffective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,052 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yes because nonsense like that is completely worthwhile(!)

    Personally I just pull it off anyway. Just gets in the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    We can't afford nuclear. New nuclear technology might be part of a future mix but right now it's of little use to Ireland. Renewables are the only option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    No matter who takes over people will be whingeing - what candidates are there that you wouldnt be saying the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Ah give us a break - Ireland is one of the richest countries in the world. A tenner a month really isnt a lot to most people in this country, in fact it is a near irrelevant amount. Its not much more than the price of a pint. Stop with the poor mouthing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I'd like to know this too. The capital City has barely 10km of correctly designed cycle lane and over 1000km of motorway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I think you are being disingenous with that post. You have no idea how tight some peoples budgets are/might be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    ? The investment numbers thrown around for in experimental offshore wind farms would build multiple nuclear power plants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    And this here is a perfect example of Green policy and why Europe is turning it's back on it. Tough sh it if you can't afford to drop 50k on a new electric car and get solar panels on the roof you'll just have to walk or cycle the 90klms to work or keep your fingers crossed you win the lotto so you can afford to put petrol in the car.

    There is a reason people in well off leafy south Dublin suburbs vote Green and they do poorly in working and middle class areas. The Green's either are too thick to figure it out or more likely they just don't care but either way their empty vessel brains are headed for the dustbin of history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,684 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    my mostly working class area voted in janet horner again recently, which was nice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Not true, the UK is spending £26 billion on a new plant and it's operation will have to be heavily subsidised because it is wholly uncompetitive with renewable energy per kwh. Then the tax payer will pay many billions more to safely decommission.

    Off shore wind is not experimental. It's proven tech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Ryan's own party colleagues turned on him and accused him of being a racist - how's that for divisive politics?

    Entities like the Green Party are as much to blame for a tense, divided political culture as social media is.

    Certain TDs, newspaper columnists, officials think nothing of making provocative statements themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,922 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I've never given the greens a number 1 in dail election, I think I gave Grace O'Sullivan my number 1 in 2019 though. (I'm a Labour supporter...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Working class areas do vote green. There are a lot of households that can't afford any car. Almost nobody in Ireland commutes 90km to work. The average commute is 5km the vast majority of commutes are sub 10km



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Not to mention O'Gorman inviting half the 3rd world into Ireland and then playing hide and seek over the last few months when things go pear shaped. Real leadership quality that fella.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Well as long as you haven't had to move down to the back arse of nowhere because of decades of housing mismanagement and drive 90klms to work every day you'll be fine i guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Giving out non stop about the Greens is usually a good red flag of who to avoid talking to for extended periods of time and not get into a car with so if they fall off you lose that element of society being as obvious unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    But again 90km commutes are nearly unheared of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I agree somewhat but FG undermined the Greens at every opportunity in the election campaign. Doherty in particular was sent out to distance FG from Green actions.

    And your beloved FG are only playing lip service to the Climate Plan.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/environment/2024/0528/1451594-epa-climate-targets-ireland/

    A "huge political effort" is required if emissions reduction targets are to get back on track, Minister for Climate Eamon Ryan has said.

    The EPA's latest greenhouse gas projections show sectoral emissions ceilings for 2025 and 2030 on course to be exceeded in almost all cases including agriculture, electricity, industry, and transport.

    According to the projections, despite the adoption of an undated Climate Action Plan, Ireland is no nearer now than it was this time last year, to achieving the 51% reduction in greenhouse gas that it is legally obliged to achieve.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    That Hinkley C plant produces electricity at 104e MWh (90gbp) 95% capacity

    The latest offshore wind farm from two weeks ago is 140e per MWh 40% capacity factor

    All discussed in great detail in parallel thread, but of course the Green snake oil lot keep trying to sell it



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,576 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I see Ryan is complaining about social media again

    "We've been the subject of a relentless attack"

    Confirmation that social media can actually influence positive changes in the world if you ask me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    well, there’s a few wasted a load of money on Edna Kenny!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    it’s not social media he should worry about but the ballot box

    Where they and their buddies across Europe got wiped out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,684 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yo any chance you could tell us the whereabouts of the segregated well paved 10km cycle path that you've never seen a cyclist on? or did you just make that up?



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