Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

Have a closer look from now on.

Not one bit ashamed. In fact I'm delighted that my partner & I can now communicate over long distances using our embedded 5G chips and with my fluorescent grey/green head I no longer need a hi vis when out cycling.

Presume this thread was started because of the case in the news recently before the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals where in arguments the CDC's statements were used to show the vaccines were not vaccines, conferring no immunity and only (allegedly) mitigating symptoms.

That meets the traditional definition of a medical treatment, not a vaccine.

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"Here, however, plaintiffs allege that the vaccine does not effectively prevent spread but only mitigates symptoms for the recipient and therefore is akin to a medical treatment, not a “traditional” vaccine. Taking plaintiffs’ allegations as true at this stage of litigation, plaintiffs plausibly alleged that the COVID-19 vaccine does not effectively “prevent the spread” of COVID-19."

"Plaintiffs suggest, it mitigates symptoms for someone who has gotten it and then gets COVID-19. But this makes it a medical treatment, not a vaccine. Plaintiffs’ complaint supports these assertions with data and statements from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). For example, Plaintiffs claim that the CDC changed the definition of “vaccine” in September 2021, striking the word “immunity.” Thus, they argue, the CDC conceded that the COVID-19 vaccine is not a “traditional vaccine.” They also cite CDC statements that say the vaccine does not prevent transmission, and that natural immunity is superior to the vaccine. LAUSD moved for judgment on the pleadings, requesting judicial notice of the attached CDC information. This included information about the COVID-19 death count and number of cases, as well as the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness. For example, the CDC says that “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. The district court granted LAUSD’s motion."

"At this stage, we must accept Plaintiffs’ allegations that the vaccine does not prevent the spread of COVID-19 as true."

Any examples of people 'destroying lives'? What exactly are you on about?

"Barely eases Covid" isn't accurate, sorry. And I'm speaking as someone who agrees with you on the loss of faith in the system.

I work in the health service and the vaccine absolutely made a huge improvement on the vulnerable sector, older or those with comorbitities.

For the young and otherwise healthy though, I don't think it was needed for the most part.

So you think that none of them had any shots, or as may as you? Doesn't seem likely given the take-up rate overall.

There is a huge amount we still don't know about why some people who are exposed to this virus (and others, eg influenza, cold) get sick, and some don't. Ventilation probably plays a part. But there's way more to it, and huge amounts we cannot explain.

Encouraging healthy people, who aren't at major risk of the disease, to take a preventative that's had less than two years of testing doesn't sit well with me.

It's impossible to know your own vunerability.

Perfectly healthy people died of strokes early on after catching COVID with no indication of their vunerability to strokes.

Only had the first two. Never bothered with boosters. Don't really regret it or feel shame. Disgust I still feel to this day however.

My eyes were opened to how quick and easy it is for the general populace to be manipulated into a frenzied authoritarian rabble.

I am not sure people would readily accept a vaccine if another virus emerged. I think many healthy folks would take their chances with natural infection.

I am always puzzled why so many healthcare workers refuse the Flu and now Covid vaccines.

What is the latest with the Covid boosters? What age bracket are encouraged to take it? Over 55?

It reminds me a bit of the Y2K bug.

A massive issue was identified, precautions were taken to the tune of millions to update computer systems. The millennium rolled around and nothing happened. Everything kept ticking on.

'oh that was a scam, nothing happened, why did you spend all that money?'

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Perhaps the spending the money to update the systems prevented the issue from happening.

A crisis was averted to a large degree by the actions taken during the Covid pandemic.

Like Y2K - if you don't fix the issue, potential global catastrophe.

If you do fix the issue, people then don't believe it was an issue to begin with.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It was not claimed that the vaccines prevent transmission.

How could they anyways, think about it.

If you have taken the vaccine, and are standing on a train or bus, how can the vaccine prevent the transmission of the virus from a person standing near you towards your face?

No vaccine can stop that.

What was claimed was that the vaccine reduces illness once you were infected.

It can't stop you getting infected.

There's two layers to your immune system.

Your immediate antibodies and then your deeper 'memory' layer.

After being sick or vaccinated, you have a store of immediate antibodies which repel infection. That was what the trials showed for the vaccines in the time frame studied versus the Alpha variant. If you're not infected, you aren't going to re-transmit it.

These wane, the virus evolves into a new variant, and can slip past that first line of defence.

That's where your 'memory' layer kicks in, takes time to get going but fights off serious infection. This is more durable and less 'fussy' as it targets eg things like Spike protein which change less.

Covid vaccines in study after study have shown up this durable secondary protection significantly reduces your chances of severe infection\ death and this was seen in hospitals in Ireland and elsewhere with the predominance of unvaccinated covid patients.

Got a booster shot in April. I'll get another booster if its recommended.

I tend not to listen to anti-vaxxers / flat earth types who seem to get their "knowledge" from fakebook or jimmy in the pub.

Nope

Didn't Matt Le Tissier Boards.ie !.

Professionals who dared to speak up were cancelled and axed from their jobs. More the exception here in Ireland but it did happen. What was the name of that senior midlands health official again who was forced to resign after speaking up? He was called everything under the sun by media and public and had to retire early.

It didnt happen en masse but he wasnt the only one either.

Quite astonishing how the op made absolutely no reference to social media sites and conspiracy theories yet is almost immediately labelled as such and a fair amount of vitriol aimed at him, shameful actually.

Ask a simple question and the hysteria kicks off, just like 2020 all over again. Seems Dr. Mattias Desmet was right all along 🙄

Dr Martin Feely who said covid was 'less severe than flu'?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hse-rejects-comments-of-senior-doctor-who-says-covid-19-less-severe-than-flu-1016703.html

Yeah he sounds like an absolute kook.

Firstly they told us we wouldn’t get Covid if we took the Vaccine

Sorry what? I don't ever remember being told that…

Vaccines do not prevent you catching the virus that the vaccine is designed to counter.

Anybody claiming covid was far less severe than flu in late 2020 did not so on the basis of scientific evidence.

It still would not be true now.

https://fortune.com/2023/12/14/covid-19-v-flu-more-serious-threat-new-study-health-carolyn-barber/

Desperate desperate stuff, reaching for one totally discredited source and ignoring the overwhelming scientific consensus, backed by scientific evidence. "Lads on the internet" feel qualified to judge that the one doctor is somehow right (based on absolutely nothing) and ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus and evidence. Sure.

No one regrets not having it? Well, if you're dead from covid you can't regret can you.

Well you see the actual flu, not what people call the flu these days which is basically everything, the actual flu isnt that much of a joke. It's quite bad and it does kill people, not a just a few either. So when people read the line 'less harmful than the flu' it provokes a knee jerk reaction along the lines he meant the sniffles but it's not quite that simple.