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Eamon Ryan announces he is stepping down as Green Party Leader

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Labour Party leader Ivana Bacik also paid tribute to Mr Ryan's "contribution to public service" during Leaders' Questions.

    Don’t worry Ivana, you’ll be following in his footsteps in the not so distant future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭pjmn


    Would suspect he's a very decent human being and he himself believes passionately in the various ideas he espouses, but as a minister in charge of Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications; and Department of Transport he was a fruit cake….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    The tone of RTE's coverage of this is as if someone died.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Augme


    The frequency, intensity and duration of heatwaves have all been increasing. I don't know exactly when hey began.

    Of the 31 hottest days on record in Greece, one is from 1921, one is in 1958, six from the 1970s, nine from 2000-2010, and 13 are from 2020-2023. If you can't spot the trend in that then I really don't know what to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Yes indeed, I did take the time though and as I wrote, no offence meant.

    It just doesn't read well and neither does your subsequent reply. I'm sorry you can't take a bit of constructive criticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 FlataytoOne


    Lookit, to all of you “but the world IS burning read the evidence!” types, some people’s response to that, if you crack through the scepticism, is “ok, then I must end my time on this planet as soon as possible” and will either carry that out or fight back against that ideation by remaining a sceptic.

    You won’t reach them. And the rhetoric of panic is harmful.

    You’re probably right. But bar authoritarianism the change ain’t happening through everyone stopping the Bad Things all at once.

    We turn the ship. That means morons doing the Bad Things even out of spite until they die. But there’ll be less & less of them and they won’t be replaced.

    Now can we please stop the “but the planet” distractions & get back to discussing the man letting the Leinster House commute ringing of his bicycle

    bell end, Eamon Ryan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,722 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    So youre blaming him for a global economic crisis. And for private companies price gouging. Okay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭growleaves


    A trend of heat waves increasing from 1921 to 2024 does not show what you think it shows.

    Because, first of all, you have no way of knowing whether this trend can or will reverse itself at any moment.

    Second of all, if you believe trends are significant then there may be even greater significance from looking at a wider context of multi-century data from e.g. circa 1200BC (when ancient Greek civillisaton began) to 2024AD - or some range within that range, then extrapolating from whatever trends you detect.*

    *I don't know when temperature data in Greece begins, I'm speaking theoretically.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    You're dead right! Sure what would them feckin scientists with their facts and their papers know?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,356 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    and another thread turns into a referendum on whether climate change is real?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭pjmn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Oh I know, George Lee must be in bit's. Who's going to be looking out for the weeds now!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    "even the women" Shure they might be getting warm somewhere else, ami right?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I think Eamonn Ryan is a decent man. I wouldn't say the same for Leo Varadkar, Stephen Donnelly, Roderic O Gorman or Aodhan O Riordain. Eamonn Ryan was an idealist and pushed the green policies too far, too fast. I am sick to death of cycle ways ,green ways and carbon taxes . Meanwhile he spent the last 6 months flying all over the World, he was hardly out of a plane! Not a good look.

    Agriculture and the environment are on a collision course in this country and the sooner this is faced up to politically the better. It is a hot potato. We can't reduce our carbon footprint and increase our beef and dairy output at the same time, plus having an ever increasing population! This is going to be the same issue for whoever comes next, even if there is no green party!

    I am just hugely relieved that their idiot deputy leader Catherine Martin is also stepping back. I was more worried about her than Eamonn Ryan leaving. Good luck to him. It will be interesting to see how he is written into the history books. He wasn't the worst, his heart was in the right place.

    Post edited by mykrodot on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,356 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    sick of green ways? that's a new angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭growleaves


    All of them will admit that they cannot make confirmed, successful and precise predictions of the future of the earth's climate. Nor predict exactly what the sun is going to do in the future to influence the earth's climate.

    Given this uncertainty and inability to predict climate precisely, how can political actors truthfully claim they will be able to exercise micro-control over the earth's climate with policy-driven initiatives? They can't.

    The whole issue is much hazier, in practical terms, than how it is presented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    the amount of destruction they cause to the natural habitats and environment when they are being built is huge. Fields, ditches, trees, hedgegrows, pathways are all torn up to make way for tons of tarmac, fencing and concrete. I am talking about the area around Listowel where I live. I love the greenway in Westport and also Waterford but they need to be constructed in sympathy and harmony with nature, not destroying it in their effort to create something "green" . Its ironic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It is like knee-jerk anti-everything populist bingo.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    You have to laugh at this lad bemoaning the "narrative" he claims was "formed" between his political regime and rural Ireland, when the "narrative" is solely on the policies he blasted into rural Ireland. This f**ker is a typical gaslighting tyrant, disappointed and whining that the people he set his boot-hell upon didn't worship him for the fact he was doing it. Not surprising when you consider where his ideology comes from, Alliance 90 and their former Stasti cadres whose sole remit was stamping bootheels on literally everyone back where they came from.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    "The biggest climate deniers are the green party" - Lorna Bogue (former green party member) on Virgin tonight show. She's retaliating against another green member, Marc o chasahaigh on the panel who is shaking his head in disgust accusing others of being "climate deniers" as if they said the 'n" or 'c' word, what a clown.

    It's no wonder they are going the way of the dinosaurs. Our grandchildren will be burning the turf of Green party members fossils



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Data centers good/ cows bad,,, principles eh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Haha.

    Do you know how much 1 nuclear plant would cost?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A lot of people have regular journeys not conducive to the use of an electric car.

    Also If you live in an apartment as one example you will not be using solar to power your apartment..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,528 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭growleaves


    So even Green Party members themselves can be denounced by the village-folk as heretics - sorry, I mean 'deniers'.

    I don't know if that's funny or sad. Maybe it's both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,528 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Without wanting to come across as overly pendantic, where's the data for Ireland?

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    I just read on x that Catherine Martin is currently in Miami, I don't know how true it is but if it is valid then it just proves the hypocrisy of the Green Party again.

    In Ryan's case, I always remember him desperate to attend the Cop conference in 2021 held in Glasgow. He didn't like the result of his first covid test, and took a second one that gave him the all clear, and was able to travel to the conference by airplane in the nick of time.

    I couldn't take him seriously again after that. Good riddance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    Yes, while the Greens pulled above their weight, there were the data centers.

    After Regina Doherty's complete show boating disrespect, I don't blame him for calling it a day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    no datacenters are also bad and banned, Amazon threatened to move out due to this stupid policy



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared



    Do you know how much 37GW of offshore wind and storage for this to cover 1-2 weeks of no wind will cost?

    Because figures for a nuclear plant are widely available



  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    If it's real, what is Catherine Martin doing flying on a jumbo jet to Miami? Shouldn't she be in the bog of Allen firing buckets of water into it to alleviate the climate change disaster she claims we are complicit in?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Is she really

    No wonder she hasn’t bothered her arse replying to an email I sent her a couple of days ago

    Tbf I’d rather stuff myself with ropa vieja and do a few lines with Tony Montana too



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Pman


    Every project was and is a criminal waste because Irish governments dont do project management. Metro is a crazy plan as was the luas PPP and Greens said nothing about it because they cant string a coherent sentence together about real engineering. They can't see anything beyond bike lanes and salad pots. Dublin cant sustain a metro investment. The subsidy from government would be astronomical. Transdev get 200 million a year to drive and maintain the trams on both lines. Gov look after the tracks and power at taxpayers expense. The Gov get the fares but theres hardly a million people using the trams on a weekly basis. Its an awful deal for the tax payer considering the initial 1 billion cost of constrcution of the two luas segments . I suppose no more wasteful than the M3 PPP in Meath or Limerick tunnel PPP. The Galway road is needed but it could have been a lot greener in the detail. it prob wont happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Ahh the old balance sheet. The pure indicator of fiscal responsibility.

    Easy when you have sectors which skew the actual experience of the ordinary citizen.

    Let’s take a few indicators. Retail? Indigenous? Non existent. Wages? For one of the “richest” countries in the world, they aren’t exactly high.

    A few other things to take into the long term view, social welfare payments for the “refugees”. Health on its knees and completely dysfunctional. Housing? Probably unaffordable for the majority of individuals who need it most. Competing with state funds for the same housing stock rules most young people out. Groceries? Need I even state the obvious.

    funny you ignored the societal changes that have been on display. Having visited home last Christmas, personally was the only “Irish” person on the street at times. Crime through the roof, of course no ethnicity indicators are taken to show who is committing the crime.

    All in all, those in the know and who are connected do well, the ordinary joe and Josephine have much more difficult lives than 10 years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    You left out social welfare for working refugees.

    I wonder if the Greens ever linked car usage to fewer bus routes and people having to move further away from family and work?

    I think nuclear is a must, but I don't think any Irish government thus far is competent or responsible enough to be let near such a project. If we do go down that route we'll need outside babysitters to oversee it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://x.com/RTE_PrimeTime/status/1803173686943326400

    Give roisin the gig



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Pity they talk out of 2 sides of their mouths when it comes to climate change.

    Reduce consumption but add more people through migration living for said first world consumption.

    Reduce co2 emissions. Nuclear power can never be consider. Even with new technology developments in sector

    There full of ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Why haven't FF or FG sorted out nuclear then, they've been in power for 100 years?

    If you're going to blame the Greens for no nuclear, surely we'll get it after they have no seats after the general election?

    It's amazing the power people think the Green party have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I didn't say have a plant built in their tenure. Their only method of energy production and co2 reduction is wind and solar.

    They need to broaden their minds but they are a stubborn bunch now aren't they.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Fair enough but people should demand nuclear from FF FG instead of just blaming the minority green party for not going down that route



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Sorry to hear that you've that problem.

    As for my original post, a lad from work was complaining about being cold at night and it turned out that he had type 2 diabetes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Rodric one of the front runners

    Haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,996 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    With Ryan and Martin both out, I wonder if the party will implode (they're not exactly a stable, coherent entity in the first place) and bring down the Government?

    It could all be theatre too. FG and Harris fancy their chances in an early election. Ryan knows he and his will bear the brunt of the electorate's frustrations so he's following Leo's example and getting out early, and Martin (who demonstrated during the RTE mess her complete inability to manage anything) has seen the way the wind is blowing and is out too.

    General Election in July?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,356 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Harris is not concerned with the GP as regards the next election, I'd bet. Labour returned over twice as many councillors as them IIRC. SD got more seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    If he's the only one to put his name forward then unless someone pulls him aside as says you're not fit to run a bath budyy, then he'll get the gig which will most definitely be the end of the greens come election time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Augme


    Of course there won't be a general election in July. While Martin has ruld herself out of leader she has stated she is running again. Every green TD needs that budget to give themselves the best chance.



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