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Rory McIlroy - 4 Time Major Winner

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    We don't know the ins and outs of it - but the LIV split I'd say was a factor.

    Call it a hunch - and it was mentioned on Newstalk - but Garcia being there was not a help at all.

    Still think there should be someone in his team - that can say , Rory - it is fairly customary to just hang around a bit - go shake Bryson's hand and then we get the **** out of here - meet up with Shane , have a beer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭whitelaurel


    ah come on he’s big enough and bold enough for Garcia being there to make feck all difference surely. I’ve no issue with him scarpering tbh, it’s evidence that it was a choke/meltdown anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ted222


    Exactly that.

    Even if Garcia is winding him up, he should be able to ignore him after all these years. If he can’t, that’s probably why Garcia is still at it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Open/British Open etc, we've been in that hornets nest before so posts deleted as OT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭benny79


    Jesus we Irish really love to kick a man when there down! The amount of traffic this thread has got since he lost is gas! A lot of posters too that never post anything in the golf forum 😂 If he had of won, it wouldn't of got as much traffic! Rory is one of the most honest golfers in the game! and always one of the first to congratulate fellow Pro's.

    Nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes. All the back ground noise with the wife too. The fact people are going mad he didnt hang around to congratulate Bryson etc is mad! Anything to find fault. They weren't even in the same group ffs.. and the fact he left the way he did fair play to him. He gives so much to the game (and yes obviously has got a lot too) but he's human and was totally dejected. Shows how badly he wants to win a major which is great to see considering all the money he has! He could retire tomorrow and never hit a golf ball again if he wanted! Great to see passion in sport especially when their multi millionaires! I dont blame him pulling out of the next tournament he's not a robot and that would of took a lot out of him. Especially with the intensity and then to lose.. He still is one of the best players in the game and has been for the last decade! Thats the best I have seen him play in a major since he last won one on a very difficult course. One maybe you could say 2 mistakes cost him - Fine margins! I personally think the main one was the 7I when he over shot the green.. But yet Cantley also hit 7I to dead centre.. Its a funny auld game.

    Gas thing is if he didnt make the cut he be still be getting called a bottle job! 😂😂😂



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You don’t think it was comment worthy?

    I suspect there has been more comment in the media world wide about Mcilroys performance than there has been about Bryson’s, but you don’t think it should be discussed on a thread about Rory McIlroy?

    That’s remarkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    7I when he over shot the green.. But yet Cantley also hit 7I to dead centre.. Its a funny auld game.

    Rory and Cantlay hit the ball different distances with their clubs. Nothing really strange about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭benny79


    I just find the amount of traffic this thread gets when Rory fcuks up gas! Especially from posters who you never see in the golf forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭benny79


    Where did I say there was anything strange? I was pointing out the fine margins and how both can hit 7i with different results for the key board warriors who probably dont even play golf.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭whitelaurel


    I didn’t realise the thread was a fan page? Plenty don’t like Rory, so are very fast to discuss his choke. Sport would be boring if everyone loved everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Barnaboy


    Away from this thread for a day, just wow! Agree a lot with Benny. He did choke by any standards. But we hadn't seen Rory that good up until the last few holes in years.

    If he can accept those mistakes and learn from them, i think multiple majors are incoming. I would be hopeful. The strategy up to that point was something I wanted to see for years. Patient. Not going for everything.

    As I said on a previous post, the Open is now huge. He has a few weeks to dust himself down. More play like the first 68 holes in Pinehurst and he will be in the shake up. If he does, I expect he will close it out this time.

    If he is 'only' top 20 going in to the weekend and sneaks another back door top 10 I fear that will be the end of him. He will then spend the next 9 months tormenting himself.

    I'm optimistic for him. We will find out very soon.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The comments, with the odd exception have been very fair and balanced, and reflect the enormity of what happened. If you want a closed discussion with only like minded viewpoints, there is a PM function as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    funny auld game = strange

    There’s no fine margins. One was the right club for Patrick. One was the wrong club for Rory. Commentary were stunned Rory had 7i in hand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭benny79


    Do you play golf? A fine margin is picking the wrong club that costs you the tournament ie One mistake at the wrong time which has a snowball effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭benny79


    Enormity of what happened? Its one tournament 😂 Yes a Major but Im sure he will play plenty more and will win one again. My post was more about the traffic this thread gets and Rory hate as everyone is quick to point out! Its the same every time in this thread when Rory fcuks up. Yet when he wins you get hardly anything apart from a few posts. All the Rory bashers go missing.. I'd rather see him in contention than not, made for a great end to a Major. Edge of seat stuff.

    I am by no means a Rory fan boy just like yourself 😉



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think you are just looking for an argument if you are seriously asking “enormity of what happened?”.

    You’ll have to find someone else to play with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Yeah, I play golf. Played with the society on here actually. But thats completely irrelevant. You don't need to play golf to understand what Rory did. You shouldn't discount or discredit someones opinion over whether they hack it around 18 every now and then.

    Rory picking the wrong club isn't fine margins. Its poor course management. Your reference to Cantlay demonstrates that you don't quite understand that. Its not like it dribbled off, it missed by a long long long way.

    I would have said the bogey on 5 was fine margins. Lands a yard further up, eagle putt. It didn't and its rolled off the false front. On 15, he missed it by a long long way.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Goes with the territory unfortunately, if it was Shane instead of Rory then that thread would be getting all the action. Rory's profile is much much higher though, so attracted huge coverage across all the formal and social media…in turn will attract more posts from more passive forum users.

    Hopefully when Rory wins the Open next month this thread will explode ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭OEP


    Just want to say it's not customary! It has become a thing amongst the American "bros" like Spieth, Fowler, Thomas etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,212 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Its not just Rory, any Irish person that becomes successful seems to be a target for many. It's like the Brits were twenty or thirty years ago.

    Bobby Robson was treated terribly after England lost the World cup semi-final. He was reported as a bad man, cheating on his wife, fighting with players. Robson was a wonderful person, loved by everybody that knew him.

    I don't like McGregor because of all the nasty stuff he says but I respect what he's accomplished. You see so much attacking of him it's unreal. Same with Rory. I'd imagine they are the two biggest sports stars from this island.

    It comes across to me as jealousy. I don't understand how you could be that way towards a person who has worked his socks off to make it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    "mad how he putt 496 out of 496 before that at that distance. But yeah I’m sure it wasn’t nerves that he missed his 497th."

    That's the line I quoted in relation to that stat. It's a subtle misunderstanding but the poster won't be the only person to misinterpret the stat like that. And that then builds a narrative. "He made 496 putts at that distance and then missed when it mattered". Which is not a million miles from the truth but it's an exaggeration to make a point and spin what happened more strongly in a certain way. The exaggeration makes McIlroy look like more a "choker".

    My issue with "meltdown" and "choker" are that they are unnecessary words to describe what happened. They are words I'd expect to be used by tabloids and they feed a view of the world that will manifest itself in very nasty social media posts. Fact is, Rory McIlroy missed two short putts we'd all expect him to make under pressure and it cost him the US Open. In my opinion, the pressure got to him because I can't find any other explanation for it happening. The one on 16 was a particularly bad stroke. Not sure why people need to overlay that with extreme words like "meltdown" and "choker".

    But look, it's not just golf where that happens. You look at football coverage and any team that loses a game they're expected to win, they're accused of being "chokers". I find it tiresome, lowest common denominator stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    At least Rory can console himself that he's won a few already.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2006/jun/20/golf.sport

    Even if gracefulness of Montgomerie's concession was slightly undermined by the gracelessness of his decision to skip the formal presentation ceremony, not to mention his alleged entanglement in the clubhouse with a New York state trooper, it would have taken a heart of high-grade titanium not to feel sorry for the man.

    If Rory is to win a few more majors, statistically, he will almost need to have a few more very near misses and not beat himself up too much about it. As is well known, Niklaus finished runner-up 19 times in majors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,144 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Maybe I need to change my ways .

    But I'm a pool fan and give them unreal stick if they underperform. I have seriously had issues with many players in the squad..

    Only reason I'd be harsh on Rory is because I want him to win so much.

    I just can't follow someone with blind loyalty..he has been error prone , has lacked effort at times, has been overly stubborn in his ways...

    But he is a good bloke for all his wealth and success..yes overly emotional for what is needed..but I'd still rather that in a way..

    But at the moment he deserves a victory, you can see how much work he has put into parts of his game that were poor / not good enough to win a major.

    I think you can be the biggest supporter / fan in the world ...but call out stuff too.

    Would agree there are pure opertunist here, to stick boot in ..and that is twisted..because for all the talk of Ireland being a great sport nation ...we rarely have people at the top top of their field in sport ...

    Enjoy them when they are here ..Ireland/ northern Ireland might never have a person at Rorys level again..and he has been at the top , what 15 + years ..

    I followed golf when you were on page 3/4 / M/C of the leaderboard in amajors...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    You stated:

    But the stat is misleading.

    In response to:

    The stat is being used because its the most relevant stat available. Nobody has the stat on that exact distance and that stat would be meaningless. Inside 3ft is a putt PGA Tour Pros make 96% of the time on average. The putt on 16 he missed was a gimme.

    The stat is not misleading, the stat is perfectly clear. Inside 3ft. The stat is not being presented by any journalist to exaggerate anything, the stat is being presented in a balanced manner in context with all relevant information.

    From the Irish Times:

    McIlroy had faced 496 putts inside three feet all season standing on the 16th green and had made all 496 of them

    Being used perfectly in context and not being used to exaggerate anything.

    The stat has been widely used by nearly everyone in the correct context. The stat exaggerates nothing. It simply shows he's been rock solid in that category of putt all season. He didn't hole on 16 and it cost him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭OEP


    Come on now, people attack McGregor because he's a complete piece of sh*t. Horrible human being.

    MOD EDIT: This is not a free speech site, ease off the personal comments please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,999 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Comparing Rory and his behaviour and how he carries himself as a person to McGregor..😖



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    England have slaughtered every football manager, even Sir Alf Ramsey, who was manager when they won in 66, Sir Bobby was not unique.

    This accusation of unfairness, jealousy etc is to deflect on the topic of the day, which is of course today, what happened on Sunday. It isn’t unfair or Jealousy on anyone’s part to comment in a negative way about what happened, it played out there for all to see and to say. Doesn’t change the fact that he is a great player, nor is anyone suggesting that he isn’t a great player, so it really is nonsense to try and spin it any other way than it is.

    But anyways, let’s spiral down this rabbit hole again of posters getting annoyed at any slight aimed towards the subject of thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    What relevance does it have if, say, 200 of those putts were shorter than the ones he missed? It's a stat that's open to misinterpretation and misuse, as evidenced the by the post I quoted originally, and there is no need for it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dean, I suspect most would associate shorter with being easier less, not more likely to be missed.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I agree on the stat, the proper one should be say, 2ft to 3ft as tap ins are included in the current stat being quoted.

    But regardless, the miss was shocking, I actually feel sorry for Rory for the putt on 18 as the ball took a dive off what looked like some imperfection on the putting line but onus was on him to clean up his line.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    That's my point. There are a lot of shorter putts in that 496 that are much easier to hole than the ones he missed on Sunday. So he didn't hole 496 putts of that difficulty - many of them were much easier. The core point is fine - he missed two putts that you'd expect him to hole all day long and that he's been holing all season. However, the stat is easy to misunderstand or misrepresent and that's a problem I find with a lot of sporting stats that get used in isolation - they lack context and get (mis)used to drive a narrative.

    It's a subtlety, the core point is correct but I don't believe the stat is really that relevant to the point being made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    If 200 putts were shorter then 296 putts were longer and thats an even more damning stat.

    PGA Tour pros make 96% of putts inside 3 foot and 99% of putts inside 2 foot. The stats drop off very quickly from there. That's why they use the 0-3 foot metric. Years of historical data to show they're gimmes. That's the relevance.

    Statistics are there to be used an interpretted. Its utter nonsense to disregard it and shows a complete misunderstanding of how statistics are used in everyday life.

    So far you've an issue with:

    • Meltdown - its too emotive
    • Choke - its hyperbole
    • Statistics - they're not specific to the exact 2ft 6" putt he had

    Just accept it, he bottled the **** thing instead of arguing semantics ad naseum.

    Its the most relevant stat available. No stat is perfect but that's the closest one. There is no 2-3ft stat easily available, if there was, it would have been used by now. I am sure someone like DeanAustin would make the same argument that its still open to misinterpretation because there would still be putts from inside where Rory hit it and why not break it down by inch instead of feet or barleycorns instead of inches. Its a neverending pointless argument.

    Its a normal and fair stat to use and is there to be interpreted in the given context. He's made every putt like that this year (it also shows he's made putts from further away and from closer). Any sensible person knows exactly what it means and its not being used to exaggerate anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    So he didn't hole 496 putts of that difficulty

    The stat doesn't claim that.

    Nor is distance the sole metric of difficulty.

    Putts inside 3ft - 96% holed. Putts inside 2ft - 99% holed. Putts inside 3ft are broadly the same difficulty and grouped together in stats for that reason. That's where the pull the 0-3ft range from. Years of historical data.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    And you've just illustrated my point somewhat. Because I've disputed the stats and language being used, you're assuming that I think Rory didn't "bottle it". If you look at my posts over the last couple of days, I've said repeatedly that I believe he missed the putts because the pressure got to him. I've never once disputed that. But you've misinterpreted my challenge to the language being used in much the same way that the original poster I quoted misinterpreted the "496 putt" stat.

    Anyway, we'll go around in circles endlessly if we continue to debate this - let's agree to disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine and they aren't actually a million miles away from each other when you boil them down to what actually happened on Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rory missed two short putts in the last 3 holes. That's why people are talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    And you've just illustrated my point somewhat. Because I've disputed the stats and language being used

    At no stage have I said the stat means anything different. You're saying thats misleading. Its not. The word "inside" is quite important.

    let's agree to disagree

    Yeah, agreed. Aside from a few words, there's very little difference in our opinion.

    Hopefully he wins in Troon and ends the misery for us all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    Here's a much better emotional account and understanding of what that was like for a McIlroy supporter.

    https://www.sportinglife.com/golf/news/rory-mcilroys-latest-major-near-miss-as-bryson-dechambeau-wins-the-us-open/218606



  • Registered Users Posts: 177 ✭✭whitelaurel


    I feel like if he doesn’t win another one that will be talked about a lot more than the 4 he did. Rarely has someone so good and dominant not been able to win the big ones. His averaged out ranking has to be in top 2/3 the last 10 full years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    I've compared him (favourably) to Greg Norman several times before.

    Only Tiger has been world number 1 for longer than Greg Norman. His return of two majors for all his dominance is way under what it should've been and he's had far more heartbreaking Major losses than McIlroy, including the biggest turnaround in Major history.

    Greg led all 4 majors after 54 holes in 1986. No wonder he thinks 54 hole tournaments are a good idea. He'd be the only modern grand slam winner in history if tournament golf was 54 holes.

    I've always liked Greg and I've always liked Rory. They are far from one dimensional and generally give great interviews full of interesting insights and disclosures (less so from Greg since the whole LIV hoo-ha). And it also provides him from sharing his experiences with Rory as one of the only people who can actually understand Rory's Major predicament.

    They are both intelligent and emotional people that probably think too much when an empty mind would be best for pure automatic execution.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,104 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    They are both intelligent and emotional people that probably think too much when an empty mind would be best for pure automatic execution.

    So be more like DJ ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭coillcam


    If we didn't have Rory (and Bryson to a lesser extent) we'd quite a bit less to discuss. Probably yawning at the latest Scheffler win or giving out about the WHS. Tbf it's an incredible amount of traffic drawn from Rory. His major performance back catalogue and profile lends itself to the spotlight. Not to mention the backdrop of the PGA-LIV fraction and his recent marital situation.

    He's been knocking on the door for the last couple of years. Hopefully, he can reach a level of calmness to get over the line in a major again and I feel he will. To me at least he's looked quite weary/drained at numerous times in the big ones. They definitely take a bigger toll mentally.

    Stepping back to think about the last year or so, he could only be human to be affected by it all. I won't get into the course management/caddy/putting stuff as it's all redundant and well-covered already. Irrespective of his ability I still have to acknowledge how impressive it is to put yourself in a position to win like he did.

    The scrutiny and hype for the open will be off the charts. Hopefully, he can find a calm place to focus on his game and perform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,212 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There is saying what happened and then sticking the boot in. There's a big difference and if you haven't read any of that then you've missed a lot of the posts or you have a comprehension issue.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is what happened, which is not subjective, and people’s opinion on what happened, which is subjective, if you want only your opinion, ask the Mods to change the thread title to reflect only your view point.

    Boards is a discussion forum, not your discussion forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Did everyone except Bryson... Choke



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭boardise


    On the nine month gap -isn't it fairly crazy to have the four Majors bunched into just a four month time frame? Surely some way could be found to space them out more evenly. Plus -it's time to get away from 3 Majors being held in the US. Golf is now a global game -that should be reflected. The PGA should be dropped and a Major with a new title shoild be rotated around the continents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Sure isnt that the same argument as made for liv? For normans original attempted breakaway

    Turkeys and Christmas come to mind

    They are going to play the majors in good weather, so not too hot too

    Thats basically 3 months

    Much like the rest of golf



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There were plans in the early 10’s for the Asian Tour to have a 5th golf major, but it came to nothing, presumably because you can’t just introduce a new competition and brand it a major, it lacks the history and prestige. I doubt they could drop the PGA championship, there is no way PGA would agree to that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    4 is plenty, I'd hate to see Jack or Tiger, even older guys — records be messed with. The US Am was considered a major back in the day but dropped at some stage I think



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    Rather than adding a new major, I wish they would reverse the decision to change the date of the PGA, I thought it was better later in the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭bren2001


    This needs to happen.

    "Glory's last chance" always made sense for it as the least interesting major.



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