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M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

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    #1022
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,828 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I thought enabling and advanced works were under way. It'll be a while before the actual works start if they are faffing about with this kind of stuff.



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    #1023
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Archaeological works and possibly ground investigation are all that's underway.



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    #1024
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Limerick74


    The two civil works contracts have been underway for a good while. So vegetation clearance, fencing, haul road development and other enabling works to prepare site for main works contract.



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    #1025
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,828 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I presume that the works under way relate only to the initial section to go to construction. They must be planning to move on with enabling and advanced works for the remaining part as this tender refers to the whole route.



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    #1026
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Limerick74


    Two civil works contracts currently in place, covering the whole project.



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    #1027
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭pajoguy


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    Engineers jobs for the project just advertised



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    #1028
    annfield1978
    Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    D&B tender out forAdare Bypass section



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    #1029
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Limerick74


    Is it published on etenders?



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    #1030
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Limerick74


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122094447#Comment_122094447

    Happy now?

    https://www.etenders.gov.ie/epps/cft/prepareViewCfTWS.do?resourceId=3713959



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    #1031
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Happy days. I see it looks like they'll be building the full Croagh junction.

    However it only mentions the 7km between these junctions. Could 'associated connections to and realignment of existing National and Local Roads' cover the other 3kms from Attyflin?



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    #1032
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122268759#Comment_122268759

    Exactly what I was also wondering. Would be ideal to have M20 - Croagh open in one go.



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    #1033
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Limerick74


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122268951#Comment_122268951

    There are always variations to every contract



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    #1034
    ESetter
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭ESetter


    adare to croagh to be built by 2027…will croagh to rathkeale and on to foynes be constructed after 2027 or will it be built at the same time as croagh to adare?



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    #1035
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Probably a phased construction.. They'll get Adare-Croagh open first, but construction on the rest should (hopefully) be well underway when it opens.



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    #1036
    McGrath5
    Registered Users Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Is it normal that the awarding of a contract to build a road is tied to delivering it before a 2-day golf event, as reported by RTE.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0618/1455392-adare-by-pass-must-be-completed-for-2027-ryder-cup/



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    #1037
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It's not normal, but we won't complain. It's not just reported by RTE either, it's stated in the tender linked above.

    And the Ryder Cup is a lot more than a two day event. There will be months of preliminary work and construction of temporary facilities in and around Adare Manor to get the venue ready and the event itself will be a week long, with the actual tournament taking place over 3 days.



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    #1038
    lordleitrim
    Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I don't know why there has been some animosity about the Ryder Cup being a motivating or conditional factor for the delivery of the motorway. I don't care if a non binary sheep and cows matchmaking festival was the reason for it's fast tracking as long as it means funding and delivery of the road are assured and on time!



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    #1039
    I told ya
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭I told ya


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279130#Comment_122279130

    If you are a daily/regular user of the road, I fully understand your frustrations and wish to have it dons as soon as. I've been through Adare, on and off, over the last 50 years. Should have been done years ago.

    Maybe some people feel it just seems a bit lastminute.com. Rush job, unforeseen problems, blame the contractors, cut corners (pun), scale back…

    The over riding principle should be build right, build once.

    Anyone know when the Ryder Cup was confirmed? How much time has been wasted?



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    #1040
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The planning process for this road predates the awarding of the Ryder Cup by years. Planning started in 2014 and the project was sent to ABP in 2019 where it spent 2 1/2 years waiting for permission. It was then appealed to the High Court by three different parties. Luckily these were resolved out of court relatively quickly, but it was still June 2023 before all legal obstacles were cleared.

    The Ryder Cup was awarded in 2019.

    This project has absolutely nothing to do with the Ryder Cup. It was going ahead anyway and it's just coincidental that they are overlapping and that the golf can be used as a reason to push for the completion of this part of the scheme.



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    #1041
    Mrs Dempsey
    Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭Mrs Dempsey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281821#Comment_122281821

    Prior to all this the original Patrickswell Cork motorway proposal - jettisoned in 2008 envisaged a spur that bypassed Adare to the South. The Adare bypass bit was thrown out on planning grounds, before the whole shebang fell victim to the economic crash. My recall of exact detail is open to correction but an Adare bypass is on the horizon in various guises for a long, long time.



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    #1042
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Decades.



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    #1043
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    I was on a college tour back in late 99 on the rosbrien to patrickswell and the senior resident eng gave a presentation on the project. Mentioned the alignment at the Adare end was with a view to continuing the dual carriageway to the north of Adare. Charles someth or other, english accent. That road back then cost circa £33 million punts. Mad whan you think backwhy it wasnt progressed shortly after or indeed at design or planning stage.



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    #1044
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭Limerick74


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283289#Comment_122283289

    Charles Dendy



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    #1045
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284246#Comment_122284246

    That was him. Thanks



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    #1046
    Jayuu
    Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    In fairness whatever about the long delays with the scheme the last thing anybody wants is to have a major road construction project ongoing when one of the biggest golf events is happening in the same location with all the extra traffic that that will bring.

    So it's a reasonable demand to say in the tender that given the dates of the Ryder Cup the tendering company has to be sure that it can bring enough resources to complete the scheme in advance of those dates.



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    #1047
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    @Jayuu yep, that's reasonable. Unfortunately "the project should not make the traffic shitstorm caused by the golf-thing any worse than it will be anyway" gets interpreted as "We have to have the project completed because there's a golf-thing happening".



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    #1048
    cson
    Registered Users Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭cson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279130#Comment_122279130

    I only wish the they'd tied completing the Metrolink to the 2027 Ryder Cup!



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    #1049
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    I take it Sorenson are doing the enabling works. There is a deep enough dig being undertaken inside the wall opposite the golf club.



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    #1050
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    was there ever consideration given to extend the motorway as far as castleisland? would make tralee / killarney to limerick a pretty quick spin or is there not enough traffic to justify?

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