Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Regarding the EU Migration Pact, for those looking for a decrease in IPAs (especially young single men from non-warzone countries), is the pact not a step in the right direction? Maybe I've misunderstood the analysis of it but it looks to be a more restrictive system that what we have in place in Ireland currently?

Even though this pact makes huge concessions to the anti-immigration movements around europe it seems they've turned on it.

I suspect several different reasons for this.

1. Knowing restrictive practices won't actually work to any great degree they need to draw their popular vote by always looking for something more extreme.
2. It genuinely isn't extreme enough for some. Some might believe in actually trying for zero IPA/undocumented immigration and can see hard military approaches as the only way they might possibly achieve this. (Not that this would work, or ever happen)
3. It's too pro EU. Pushing for individual national approaches is a great way of causing a rift in the EU and/or seeking an exit. Eg Wilder had to agree to stop looking directly for leaving the EU to form a gov coalition, instead he ratchets up calling for a national approach to immigration.
4. Similar to point 3, it's part of their pro-Putin allegiances to cause division on immigration.

You might think so but:

It will take two years minimum to be up and running and knowing our track record of faffing and dithering and general incompetence, I can't see any government getting enough staff in place.

We can't opt into the mandatory and very important verification of ID, criminal check etc. due to not being in Schengen. What do you want to bet that we won't hurry ourselves to get the mechanisms in place to do anything we're not obliged to.

We still have to take a certain number unless we pay in lieu. This gives any government carte blanche to continue taking people whom we could refuse. At the moment our 'fair share' is 2.16% of an expected EU-wide 30,000 target relocations for the first year. But as time goes on the annual number of relocations will increase because the EU administration wants a certain number migrants. Ireland sees only the tip of the iceberg of those who are arriving illegally in the EU. This year Latvia, Lithuania and Poland alone have stopped 150,000 illegal crossings so far and plenty of them were on their way to the UK, from where many will end up trying to come to Ireland.

Finally, we still have obligations under the Geneva Convention which dates from post World War II and is clearly no longer fit for purpose. What we really need is a new convention on refugees in keeping with the problems the world is facing today, not in the aftermath of WWII.

https://www.dw.com/en/massive-increase-in-people-smuggling-at-eus-eastern-border/video-67270329

Is the whole point of it not to secure the EU's external borders, speed up processing of claims, make it easier to ID applicants so they can't seek asylum in multiple countries, etc?

Hypothetically, if every other EU country were to opt in except Ireland, would we not be completely flooded with IPAs whose applications were rejected in other EU countries?

You disappoint again. A moderately intelligent person who is media literate to use that phrase, knows full well there are many ways to write a profiling article. To choose what issues to pick, what phraseology to use, what to edit out and what to emphasise.

You or I could easily write that same article and deliver quite different results. It amounted to a deliberate attack on publicly elected representatives, edited to slant one way.

And ironically, this from the 'national broadcaster' which regularly refers to the importance of the 'truth' & 'trust' and which lectures the public often on the issues of online attacks with misinformation and so on.

I'm not too sure you know what facts are in this case.

This is lies.

O'Flynn is just another of those moderates that wants to steal votes from people who really want to protect our culture and people.

Tweets are b******t, we need to control our borders properly and represent the real Irish people.

It's just deflection to give us the soft options FFG and their cronies want.

These guys are so far away from the real right in this country they might as well be wearing che t-shirts and running their own NGOS.

There's plenty we can do now.

Make people see we need Irish people to protect Irish borders.

Protect our streets.

Stop the foney moderates.

Increase our Irish fertility rates.

Ok, so I've been doing a bit more reading and the 30,000 relocations per year is the starting point, rising to 120,000 per year in the future.

Each country will have to have adequate places available to host applicants until their case is decided, so for us ultimately we would need around 2,600 places in reception centres. Now - and here's the really hilarious bit - once those places are filled, additional asylum seekers 'will be directed into the ordinary asylum procedure to prevent overcrowding'

Maybe it's me but what exactly is changing for Ireland?? I mean we're not opting into the screening process which would be useful, and apart from agreeing to take a certain number (plus their families when they arrive) we'll have the same mess we have now ie. 'the ordinary asylum procedure.' !!

Harris is a IINO.

Irish In Name Only.

We are about to hand over another massive part of what makes a country sovereign to the EU all based on a lie that we can't control our own borders and immigration policy like any other sovereign country outside Europe.

They'll call the next elections a "General Election". It will not be a "national election", it will be a regional administrative election with a governor (Taoiseach).

The sovereignty we are giving away we will never get back.

A referendum is the only fair way to resolve a constitutional matter like this.

And that would be a much better outcome for us that the current disastrous policies or lack of. We need to grow some balls and be like the Danes - if that means more cases going to France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Italy etc - well & good, they'll soon get some balls and we'll see a concerted effort across the EU.

The only people in Ireland who would not welcome a drastic cut in asylum seeker applications are those making money and careers out of it a) the NGOs and charities carving out a defence b) businesses providing accommodation and services and c) employers looking to exploit cheap labour.