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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,931 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, this is what i believe the airport should be aiming for, for the short term, i just dont see it being viable for passengers for some time, relying on a single airline to rock up, i.e. ryanair, is one extremely risky strategy, even if they do, it means the whole process requires them sticking around, which means theyd have the airport over a barrel, and god only knows what games theyd play!

    flown out of there a couple of times, it was fantastic, it would be great to have the option again, but…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Plane Fan


    Loganair fly CFN-GLA and DUB-ABZ in ROI - as others said they have a particular target market with some costly fares (check in bags included etc). They recently pulled the Inverness route from Dublin also.


    Emerald are focused on DUB for feeders to transatlantic with the exception of ORK-BRS which was always a good performer even going back to Aer Arann days. It is very unlikely they would base at WAT and a W rotation looks unlikely with their current business model and contractual agreements as others have said. They do operate into LGW for BA at the minute from DUB which could expand .. who knows !

    Eastern, Blue Islands & Aurigny are other UK regional airlines with the former operating no routes into ROI since they pulled SOU-DUB last year and the latter only flying to DUB seasonally to provide Channel Island tourism. All 3 wouldn’t have capacity nor would WAT align to their business models either.

    WAT will need to look beyond regional airlines as we’ve seen before how volatile they are too many times in fact … it will be down to FR really to get the first route in place and more may follow IF we get the runway extension that is :)

    Post edited by Plane Fan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭invara


    Target with a 737/a320 capable runway is low cost airlines not regional ones.

    easyJet
    Wizz Air
    Norwegian
    Eurowings
    Vueling

    Have all had a look at breaking into Ireland more substantially.

    Or indeed Ryanair hold the fort.

    Post edited by invara on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    posters here saying it won’t work! Yet if this was in the west all you would hear about it is the poor west. United in calling for funding. It’s absolute pittance in terms of government budgets. Politics and Dublin centric mentality are to blame here. We have no air connectivity in the South East then again the government doesn’t want to acknowledge this region it would be better carved up between Dublin & Cork!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Any proposal that involves halving the passenger traffic through Dublin Airport just cannot be taken seriously.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Week 27.

    With the half year milestone now behind us, Government continues to sit on the current proposal. Offering no progress on this, nor offering any alternative, Government remains utterly inept at solving the problem of the South East's poor connectivity.

    Unplugged and isolated, the region continues to be hamstrung, and will continue to struggle. This against a backdrop of a globalised world where connections mean everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    It's worth emailing our national representatives, after all, 3 of the 5 their party are in government.

    No doubt they will respond with a load of waffle and state how they are working tirelessly to deliver it but never any harm in calling them out on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    The three of them would polish a turd and tell you it was a diamond. Party hacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    I agree, but still worth calling them out on it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    €2 billion and here we are on our hands and knees looking for €12 million that would connect us internationally.

    This is the kind of stuff that infuriates me, yes the cork to Limerick road is needed, yes the government could have opted to use an alternative (reducing the cost) that would have connected all of Ireland's cities but no we'll horse on with a €2 billion project, meanwhile the airport business plan sits on the ministers desks

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/2bn-limerick-cork-m20-motorway-with-cycle-lanes-to-be-first-of-its-kind-in-ireland/a251329291.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Very true! The motorway is needed but it just goes to show you the crap we get dealt with in the South East. We don’t even get the crumbs now and they don’t even hide the fact of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    It's just mind boggling, had they have done mitchelstown to Limerick they would have saved 30km worth road.

    In time then do Waterford to chair and you then have all of Ireland's cities connected by motorway.

    Here we are begging for €12 million



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,235 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Sure ye have a motorway to Dublin!



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cal naughton


    Why don't the billionaire comer brothers come up with the paltry sum of 12m for total control of the airport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Muttley79


    5-6 billion euro of taxpayers money to bring a water pipe from the Shannon over to Dublin.

    No discussion

    No reports

    It's just rubber stamped,work to start straight away.were been taking for mugs in this region and our elected representatives just want to tow the party line

    Mary butler as useful as a chocolate fireguard

    David Cullinane has completely disappeared

    Matt Shanahan Fianna gael lacky

    Marc Casey spoofer

    I hope this is remembered when elections come about



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Has the revised business plan gone back in to the department yet ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    They didnt get to be billionaires by soending their own money now did they ..?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭914


    Why couldn't the government just put in €12 million a few years ago and all works would have been completed for that cost?



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cal naughton


    And they didn't get to be billionaires by buying airports. Not unless they are sick of being billionaires and want to become millionaires.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭billgibney


    The proposed pipeline will cost around €750 per INCH. Yes you read that right.

    How corrupt this country is.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭muzakfan


    Exactly this. And historically poorly performing regional airports at that. The 2 boys likely have a plan to make a few quid off the airport. But I don't think it involves the likes of us having a handy spin to go on our holiers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    Says who? The DAA? Of course it can. If the traffic through Dublin airport is driven by regional which it is then it is feasible to develop regional airports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So you want to spend billions on expanding Cork, Shannon, Knock, for demand that isn't there, why exactly? and meanwhile prevent the proper use of an airport already built and paid for, which already has that demand (and more).

    This is complete nonsense and should not be entertained for a millsecond.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    He is woeful but his surname is Ó Cathasaigh in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Woeful is an understatement. He has done absolutely nothing in regards to the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Rustyman101


    We deserve what we get if we vote these clowns back in, unfortunately the alternatives are very thin on the ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    the new CEO of council may have some fresh ideas on how to get da moo-la from the greens 4 dis project and get it up and running…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    That demand doesn't come from Dublin. It comes from the regions and Dublin. Who cares if we have spent Billions on it. Its called a sunk cost.Cancel Metro North which is a glorified vanity project and provide a BRT or Luas at one tenth of the price. Dublin is an over congested city that cannot be saved. A city of 1 million with a metropolitan area the size of a mega city with a puny population of 2.2 million. We will have to do it sooner or later. Sooner is better. The airports should mirror at least the Tier 1 ports of the country where trade and freight outputs reflect what is actually going on in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    David Cullinane is going to be a busted flush. The sad thing is he is more capable than any of them apart from maybe Matt Shanahan. When I think of a Waterford politician having a meeting with the powers that be I immediately think of the movie "Dinner for schmucks".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭curmudgeonly


    Minister Ryan has said it is not "ambitious enough" from the man who is idealistically against airports.

    It is just BS at this stage, I read the plan and it may not be hugely ambitious, but I would not be saying whose bread I was going to eat in a business plan to the very funders of the Airports who I was going to steal some of their business either!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Dublin taxpayers are not cows to be milked. None of this has any relevance to Waterford Airport, which even if the most optimistic projections come to pass (and I hope they do) will not make a blind bit of difference to Dublin Airport's numbers.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    They are not being milked.They are milking.Dublin airport does not belong to Dublin it is merely located there which was reasonable back in the day when Dublin wasn't congested.But planning in Dublin has been an abject failure which is the fault of Dublin and Dublin alone..Now its economically overheated and it makes sense to consider more cost effective options. Dublin milks plenty of money from other places. There is very little intellectual property actually emanating from Dublin that doesn't originate somewhere else. As for human capital it would be nothing without the rest of the country. Dublin isn't some sort of autarkey. The airports customer base is the whole country. The alternative would be to get Dublin City Council to pay for the thing and restrict the customer base to those living in Dublin. How would that suit you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    this is just gibberish. Dublin Airport is paid for entirely by the passengers and freight forwarders who use it.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭FGR


    Ambitious enough? If the board had gone down that road he would have rejected it saying it was unrealistic.

    He clearly doesn't want it - that is not letting FG/FF off the hook either as I don't hear other ministers coming out in support of it.

    It bothers me beyond belief that a piece of infrastructure is not being used to its full potential all because of a lack of government interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Bards


    Definitely need a new airport south of Dublin instead of constantly expanding Dublin Airport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    has anyone checked if the project has even been tendered/priced…..if not then you could add a year before a sod is turned….?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No, that's a terrible idea.

    All you get with split airports in a city is the same routes in each with less frequency, and twice the costs in providing transport infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    This made me laugh, such navel gazing mopery. As a fact check, Dublin has about the biggest infrastructure deficit of any EU capital, the worst housing situation and is not even policed. taxes spent in Dublin per head of population are well below every other region.

    Air connectivity? try getting a reasonable city bus service, an hourly train to Dublin and a decent road to Cork, crawl before running.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    There was a substantial option selection process that lead to the M20 route. A shorter motorway between Limerick and the M8 was considered and rejected for a number of reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    there have been about a decades worth or reports and discussion on this project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    That would be a devastating policy for any small country such as ours with one hub airport. It's scale at one location that opens up more destinations and economies of scale, We are not Germany, we have one medium sized city and airport, diluting that into pissy regional airports near large towns would limit us to a few regional flights to the UK and northern France. The Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, Iceland etc. all follow this model because they're not stupid, they know they are not Germany, France or the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Bards


    You can't keep expanding Dublin pax without adding necessary infrastructure such as heavy rail direct from the regional cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford.. Metro North is not the solution for the regions.. Dublín airport is physically located in the wrong place to service the country as it is north of the city without heavy rail access.. We all know that the M50 is like a car park during peak hours.

    Choices are in order of preference

    1.)Spend on heavy rail (Hourly departures from Regional cities) with spur from Heuston to Dublin Airport and use existing airport in Dublin to cater for growing population.. This is what advanced economies do

    2.)Open new airport near kilcullen / Kikdare where m7 (M8) /m9 merge with heavy rail access servicing most of the population centers in the country

    3.) Invest in regional airports



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    So number 1 is obviously the best, and only option. Metrolink is a local commuter service. The airport does also need an intercity rail connection but in the absence of that metrolink will fulfill that role somewhat.

    Building a new airport would be a disaster from the get go and would amount to money squandering for the sake of money squandering.

    We already invest in regional airports, nevertheless they are all operating well below their capacity due to lack of demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Amazing that we have to constantly fight the argument for balanced regional development. It’s not going to be an international airport on the scale of Heathrow. It will give our region connectivity to UK/Europe that we currently don’t have but all other regions in the country do. How is that fair?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Yes exactly this, there's no need for people to wax lyrical about a new airport or the wild anti Dublin rhetoric. The topic is a question of should the state invest in reopening a closed regional airport, nothing more.

    The main project risk is: no airline will use it. And the potential gain is having a functional airport for the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The airport isn't closed, just no airlines want to use it. As you say there is no guarantee an extension will change that.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 dan575283578


    There isnt, but ryanair would likely fly from there to stop another airline from doing so



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