Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

Remember when it hit Italy and all those people got really sick, loads died and we all saw the footage with patients lying chest down on ventilators? It's only a few years ago, there's actual news footage of it at your fingertips, you don't even have to pick up a history book or visit a library.

The thing that disturbed me most about the anti-vaxxers is they couldn't see who were pushing their buttons and so became ready recruits for far right libertarian elements. Saw it happen to a few of my ex-friends.

If you want to know which people are holding to an unsound position, just look at the language they use. If they are throwing out insults, sneering, trying to demean and infantilise others then it is a pretty good sign that they know their position suffers under scrutiny and so want to avoid the discussion.

This thread is a perfect example, the bile being used by certain posters says everything about them.

Not ashamed of getting the shots.

But cannot understand why Pfizer don't have to release their data for 55 years.

As a scientist myself, thete is no reason other than to avoid prosecution, to withhold test results.

We were lied to from the beginning about masks and about the vaccine efficacy.

Scientifically, there were no vaccines, just post infection therapies.

I won't take any future Covid vaccines, unless the data can be independently reviewed

As other posters have mentioned: "The choices made were made with the best available info at the time."

I don't necessarily agree 100% with all the decisions made, but I understand the rationale for them, they were reasonable actions to take and were taken in good faith. I think any poll would show that such a position has the broad support in the country.

I reject the premise that the Irish government \ medical authorities position on vaccines was militantly pro-vaccine.

There was no coerion in Ireland. There was legitimate social pressure applied with vaccine passes, and it was legitimate of governments to seek to reduce risk associated with high risk activities such as hospitality and travel via regulation of vaccine passes.

It was reasonable for vaccines to be rolled out to lower risks groups, because it both reduced their risk of putting strain on the health service, protecting them and others. Vaccinated people were at lower risk of infection and were less infectious, for several months after vaccination. This was important in the periods they were rolled out.

Both vaccines and milder variants were needed to bring about an end to the pandemic, at least without far more significant deaths and societal impact during 2021.

The vaccine was sufficiently tested, I reject the premise\requirement of 'long term' in the context of the impact of the global pandemic. I trust the oversight of government bodies of what was done here.

There have been serious side effects from vaccination, including death. No medicine, vaccine or treatment is 100% safe. However looking across all the data shows that the benefits of vaccination far outweighed the risks of covid. Where specific issues or concerns did emerge about specific vaccines and cohorts, the medical authorities were vigilant to this and responded appropriately.

Someone who sincerely questions specific aspects of the vaccine program is one thing.

But someone who questions pretty much all aspects, does so not based on the data that justified it, but based on scaremongering without foundation, kneejerk distrust of 'Big Pharma', only ever talking about vaccine side effects never its benefits or balance of risk versus covid... that's an anti vaxxer.

Absolute nonsense 😂😂😂😂

Hi Frumy,

You keep making claims in the thread and then ignoring when anyoen asks you to back them up.

You have ignored my follow-up question now twice. Can you please answer?

Can you show us where Aztra Zeneca said they were removing the vaccine form the market because they knew it was not effective?

I feel like you've just made this up, but am open to correction.

Or should I assume at this point you realise you've been caught out in making it up and you're ignoring me because you CAN'T back yourself up, and rather than own up to it yo would rather stick to your guns and ignore while making other things up?

Honest question. Where are we now with the boosters? What age cohort are recommended to get them and how often? You don't hear much about the recommendations now.

Media sensationalism, Italy has an extremely elderly population, average age of those who died from Covid is eighty five, that's older than the average life expectancy

Not sure what I said or did could be classed as brave, you are absolutely correct about how it killed so many small businesses and sort of screwed up society in an underreported way

Dan o Brien ( hardly a radical) has repeatedly highlighted how deaths this year and the last few years exceed the number of deaths in 2020 , all completely ignored by the media of course or at least RTE

Sorry, I don't answer loaded questions and that one breaks the scales