ESB eCars

maximum overstay fee is €22.50

Nowhere near 20% I'm afraid

Todays prices

AC - 56.3c

DC 50kw - 64.7c

DC 100kW+ - 68.2c

Tomorrows prices

AC - 52c (7.6% reduction)

DC 50kw - 57c (11.9% reduction)

DC 100kW+ - 59c (13.5% reduction)

Average EVs will do 15kWh/100km and average ICE's will do 5L/100km so on a 3:1 average ratio of EV:ICE fuel costs this equates to 156c, 171c and 177c per liter of liquid fuel

Interesting. Do you have the ability to produce this liquid fuel at home for free, or to fill up at home from your home tank at 1/10th of that cost for 90+% of your driving?

thanks, good comparison

so essentially when all is said and done, Tesla is still a better option (very limited I know)

They have stated that they have no interest in AC charging. This is just sweating those assets while they’re still operational. I suspect most will be replaced by a low speed DC charger or removed when they reach end of life.

I understand this to an extent, there's clearly more profit to be made in putting electrons into cars at faster rates. Lets take a nissan leaf for example you could charge most of these to an acceptable level in 30 minutes, that's 8 cars in 4hrs instead of 2 in the same 4hr timeframe if you had them on AC chargers. Obviously when you take into account the newer cars that can charge faster these margins can increase quite vastly

What I can't understand is why they haven't converted them all to DC yet, yes they've started converting some, peoples park in Limerick being the most recent example I've witnessed but there's still far too many AC based on the above

55 minutes charging a M3 on a 50kW charger, presume you're looking at a max of 45.83kWh. You are now paying €31 or 68c/kWh

Still easily worth it if it means not needing another charging stop further down the road…. Being limited to only 37.5kWh from a 50kW charger before incurring an overstay fee is fcuking bonkers in 2024…. this per minute system is much better for anyone that might need a little bit more than the 37.5kWh that can get in 45 minutes.

I also don't have the ability to do anything you mention while away on holidays etc.

I'm not sure what the exact figure would need to be, but you'd want to be spending a lot of your time away from home on holidays for it to have an impact on the savings of home charging vs public charging/filling up with petrol/diesel…

And I still firmly believe their policy of no new 22kW AC chargers is bonkers…. yes there's a few others coming in and doing it in dribs and drabs, but eCars were (and still are) the most known of of all the charging operators.. they own the branding/association to EV charging in Ireland…. (I'd still see the odd posts online of folk being completely unaware of chargers outside of the eCars network)… They could and should be cleaning up in the AC charging space… installing them fcuking everywhere!! Discounted off peak rates to encourage overnight charging, thus helping balance the grid..

Between them and ESBN, figure out a way for 1 meter/mprn to feed 10-12 AC chargers and just get it done.. Does that hotel in Kerry have 25 separate meters for their 25 AC chargers? Do the 8 EasyGo chargers at Decathlon all have their own meter?

Yes but then the cost benefit to a 50kW charger is completely lost in your case as 68c was the old HPC rate. It's also the rate of Circle K, AG and only 2c lower than charging at Ionity all of which charge much faster so your time saving is also eroded away

Yes but, let's say I'm at a location I used to use regularly, Park Ri in kells. There's a 150kW HPC with one CCS and one Chademo plug. There's then one 50kW with one ccs OR chademo plug. Meaning I have 2 options in my model 3. To get home from Kells I need around 90%. I generally like to have lunch at park ri as they have lovely food options.

I can either charge at the 150kW, have to leave my food table and move the car at 45 mins or before to avoid additional charges, or I can charge leisurely at the 50kW.

There's also often the scenario at that location where the CCS HPC is in use, so I am left at the 50 by default anyway, so even if I'm not having a leisurely stop and am actually waiting for the car, I'd stay on the 50 rather than move to the 150 and pay the same per kwh rate (including the per min fee on the 50) anyway. The 3 charges at >40kW all the way to 90% or so anyway so it's not like the 50 is being underutilized.

22kW ac make no sense. unless it's 2*11kW for a total supply of 22kW in which case it does, as most new EVs can do 11kW (16a 3 phase). Just need to make sure that such a charger is configured to allow 32a single phase as well.

7kW or 11kW AC make a lot more sense. No new cars take 22kW AC. These are not "fast" chargers they are for charging while parked. I think a mix of 7-11kW AC and 25kW DC (see my earlier post) is the way to go for non fast charging. 7-11kW for parking for hours like at a train station, workplace/business park, etc, and 25kW DC for a 1-3 hour dwell time like a cinema or restaurant.

I also think there's a place for a carpetbombing of 3kW tethered AC in carparks. Like they do in parts of the US and Canada for block heaters. Put in say 2 cables accessible from 4 spots, ad infinitum. We're starting to reach critical mass, especially around Dublin, where these chargers would be profitable. 3kW AC, even a lot of them, are not expensive to install. Even 7kW isn't particularly expensive, but 16A /3kW is ubiquitous in most carparks - look around and there's already a fair few CEE sockets already in all liklihood. When I charged my 24kWh leaf in Dundrum at the weekend when I went to the cybertruck, I used the paid for destination charger there from ecars. Directly in the spot was a blue 16A cee socket. If I had brought my adapter I could have charged from it for free!!

If I'm drawing the max of the charger speed it shouldn't consider me overstaying. Why are my euros worth less than another customer, just because I was there first.

On the last point (folks without home charging) my mooted investment in 3-25kW of AC and DC charging mixed would solve this. Ecars will not do this, they have no interest or mandate in that type of charging. The mandate is with the local authorities now, there's even a central grant for it for the councils. Annoy your local recently elected councillor!

On the last point (folks without home charging) my mooted investment in 3-25kW of AC and DC charging mixed would solve this. Ecars will not do this, they have no interest or mandate in that type of charging. The mandate is with the local authorities now, there's even a central grant for it for the councils. Annoy your local recently elected councillor!

Your idea is a good one but it doesn't address the issue of price per kWh

Your car should be able to charge about 250km in 45 minutes, that's enough to get you to another charger at least and somebody who is behind you in the queue is therefore likely to spend less time queuing. You will be compensated with a lower charging cost for doing this under the ecars pricing model

But if I need 250km of real range not rated range to get home, should I leave and risk hitting another charging queue? No, I'll pay whatever the overstay is for the range I need!

And on the cost per kWh I did address that in my earlier post, the 3-25kW should be at or slightly above the standard day rate. So that folks without home charging can use it, but not too cheap that the cheapness encourages bad behavior like we had in the bad old days. Currently I'd say about 40c per kwh or so.